bizzybody Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I just updated an Acer laptop that had been restored to factory 8.0. Had to download and install 179 updates to 8.0, including two supposedly optional ones, before the 8.1 update would download and install. That took about 24 hours! Most of that time was spent installing the update and this is not a slow computer. Is there an 8.1 update download that includes 100% of everything it needs so it can be installed onto a clean 8.0 install? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osRe Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure if you end up with a nice and clean ISO, but maybe one of these:http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows8 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media ISO images are available too from Microsoft, but I'm not sure if there's an easy way to get them without an MSDN subscription. You would still have to install updates, but far less. The latest ISOs are from 12/2014. Edited November 11, 2015 by shae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryTri Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I updated two times from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, reverted back to Windows 8 both times and I just think that it doesn't really worth the fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submix8c Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 ESD's instead of WIM's.I got them in an attempt to salvage a non-functiona; Acer Laptop that started in life as an 8.0 upgraded to 8.1.This I know because I hooked the SATA to another PC (Win7) and inspected it (GPT and all).Hard-Activated to BIOS (I assume) since a Unique Key.Sadly, the Laptop refuses to more that blink the "power on" light. No Vid, etc (dead). Currently disassembled.P.S. - Yes, it sold with Windows8. Only.Be sure to get the RIGHT one for your PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osRe Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 ESD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submix8c Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Electronic Software Download. Actually compresses smaller.ntLite (among other methods) will convert ESD<->WIM.https://www.ntlite.com/esd-conversion-feature-and-iso-information/http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-convert-install-esd-to-iso-file/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osRe Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Is that a Microsoft format for a compressed WIM, or just encrypted? Why was a new format needed at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submix8c Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Try Google.esd vs wimIt's not a "fomat" it's a compression method. WIM's are also compressed, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzybody Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Is that a Microsoft format for a compressed WIM, or just encrypted? Why was a new format needed at all? My question is Why doesn't Microsoft have an 8.0 to 8.1 update with zero prerequisites like the Windows 7 SP1? IIRC the only other version with something like that is the Vista SP2 which required SP1 to be installed first. At least with that one could install Vista RTM followed immediately by SP1 then SP2 without having to download a ton of other updates. IIRC on XP if you installed SP2 on RTM there was something you'd not get but it wasn't critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submix8c Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 re: XP - That would be Java (Sun lawsuit). Added in SP1, removed in SP1a. You could alwasy add it back in with a "package" but it was pointless since MS-Java was buggier than Sun-Java. Now, back to On-Topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osRe Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Try Google. I did. A quick search didn't find a quick and clear technical explanation. I thought forum members might be able to explain what's the idea in a line or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submix8c Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Uhhh... I thought it was pretty clear. Now Why in the world would MSchange to ESD vs WIM? Hmmmm... To make downloads smaller? Dude! Get a grip on logically thinking! There's no "encryption", just a DIFFERENT compression, like ZIP vs RAR. Come - ON! P.S - WIM's are "also" compressed, or didn't you notice? Edited November 22, 2015 by submix8c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 There's no "encryption", just a DIFFERENT compression, like ZIP vs RAR. Come - ON! P.S - WIM's are "also" compressed, or didn't you notice? There are two .ESD formats, one encrypted and one not. jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submix8c Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Touche, Monsieur Pussycat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osRe Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) I've no idea why MS would introduce new formats, or what might be the technical differences. For all I know ESD might stand for "Extended Surveillance Data" and is a ploy to add even more "telemetry points". It's just something I was randomly curious about and couldn't find a clear answer in 5 minutes of searching and reading. It has no immediate relevance to me so for now I guess I'll remain ignorant on topic. Edited November 27, 2015 by shae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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