jaclaz Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) And here is the usual OT ...... meanwhile in China ...... since seemingly making a desktop OS go on phones and tablets makes little sense, they are making a phone and tablet OS to go on desktops .... ... strangely enough using a "Start menu", "System Tray", multiple windows, etc. JFYI:http://www.jide.com/en/remixoshttp://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc Besides the fact that it doesn't (yet) exist it has to be seen how it will actually work it is some sort of derivation from the (very nice BTW): http://www.android-x86.org/ (but that last time I tested it was still far from being really-really "ready" for everyday use or actually *any* use apart experimenting). Judging from the time the good guys have spent around the design concept, logo and background http://www.jide.com/remixos/designit seems not like there is that much of "substance" , but we will see .... jaclaz Edited January 9, 2016 by jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drugwash Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 When given a chinese choice I'd rather settle for StartOS 5.1 (6.0 beta is only 64bit if I'm not mistaken).Or its earlier predecessor Ylmf 4.0.But Windows is no way in he!! a choice anymore.Because the World is getting colder every day and we can't live in a house with broken Windows! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Well, a "new" idea would be to have android apps run on the stupid Windows 10 mobile http://www.pcworld.com/article/3011934/windows-phone-os/steve-ballmer-thinks-the-future-of-windows-phone-is-androidand-he-may-be-right.htmlI still believe that if I want to run any crappy, freemium or ad-bombarding app written by a kid, with no plan nor support whatsoever, I can run directly Android ... jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drugwash Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Android is nothing but a massively crippled Linux, so why not a real, full-fledged Linux… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedigitize Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 And here is the usual OT ...... meanwhile in China ...... since seemingly making a desktop OS go on phones and tablets makes little sense, they are making a phone and tablet OS to go on desktops .... ... strangely enough using a "Start menu", "System Tray", multiple windows, etc. JFYI:http://www.jide.com/en/remixoshttp://www.jide.com/en/remixos-for-pc Besides the fact that it doesn't (yet) exist it has to be seen how it will actually work it is some sort of derivation from the (very nice BTW): http://www.android-x86.org/ (but that last time I tested it was still far from being really-really "ready" for everyday use or actually *any* use apart experimenting). Judging from the time the good guys have spent around the design concept, logo and background http://www.jide.com/remixos/designit seems not like there is that much of "substance" , but we will see .... jaclazI think it's looks promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Judging from the time the good guys have spent around the design concept, logo and background http://www.jide.com/remixos/designit seems not like there is that much of "substance" , but we will see .... Notably: >Built on the Android-x86 project>Android re-engineered for PC Beware: Nothing about Google is good. I don't care if you like Android, I stand by my statement. They are the original "fuzzy and inaccurate results are sufficient" company. And they're ad mongers. Don't be glitzed into thinking someone's building a wonderful new OS just for you. It's not surprising alternate operating systems should come out of the woodwork in the time of Microsoft's implosion. That doesn't mean they're good. -Noel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) And here is the usual OT ...... meanwhile in China ...... since seemingly making a desktop OS go on phones and tablets makes little sense, they are making a phone and tablet OS to go on desktops .... ... strangely enough using a "Start menu", "System Tray", multiple windows, etc. It looks remarkably like Windows 10... ...even down to the flatness and including the Taskbar with wire icons in the system tray. It does have one advantage over Win10, though: not quite Aero Glass, but -- to judge from the screenshot above -- apparently there's some transparency on the window borders! One big disadvantage: they're based in Beijing. I can't trust that Remix OS will not contain backdoors for the Chinese government to sneak through. Yes, of course I know about Microsoft and Windows and the NSA, but the net effect would be "jumping from the frying pan into the fire." Not exactly a selling point for this new OS. If they were based in, say, Switzerland or the Turks & Caicos, I'd feel differently about it. --JorgeA EDIT: typo! Edited January 9, 2016 by JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 But Windows is no way in he!! a choice anymore.Because the World is getting colder every day and we can't live in a house with broken Windows! +100 :thumbup --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) I've found that if you caulk the leaky edges and clean the glass you can still use your existing Windows a while longer, and save having to tear out half the walls to mount new windows. Maybe that will be long enough for a serious Windows replacement to emerge. -Noel Edited January 9, 2016 by NoelC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 That analogy actually works pretty far in! --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Actually Android in itself is (as said before) a derivative from Linux and is nice in theory.In practice Google (and ALL the phone manufacturers) managed to make it the terrible, intrusive, ad-ridden madness you probably refer to. The (thank goodness retired) Microsoft (Nokia) version of Android, Nokia X :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_X_platformwas - if possible - even worse, sporting the look/UI of Windows Phone AND MS/Nokia services/crap instead of Google's ones (nonetheless crap):https://www.techmesto.com/avoid-nokia-x-xl/ jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The discussion is getting heated: Revealed! The crucial detail that Windows 10 privacy critics are missing Here we go again, with another ginned-up controversy over Windows 10 and privacy. I know, I know, you're probably as sick of this as I am, and much of the "controversy" is being spread by dedicated Microsoft haters and clueless writers who make a living with breathless clickbait. They're actually not interested in facts, because the controversy sells so well. If you're fine with Microsoft's approach to privacy in Windows 10, you're out of touch Bott completely -- COMPLETELY -- misses the point. I can only hope he does so on purpose because otherwise he just sounds disingenuous and a bit stupid. The problem here is not that Microsoft is gathering data (as it is perfectly entitled to do so), but the lack of transparency surrounding it. New Windows 10 stats show Microsoft is closely watching you — but is it an issue? As Bott points out, this kind of telemetry collection is now standard for both Microsoft and Apple. Google is known to track far more than either of the other two companies; if you use an Android device, Google essentially tracks every time you fart. He argues that Microsoft’s data collection is anonymized — though the value of such anonymity is highly questionable, given the ease with which the veil of anonymity can historically be pierced — and notes that modern websites and social media also collect enormous amounts of data. All of this is true, and yet, it largely misses the point. While I can’t speak for other journalists, I have never argued Microsoft was a mustachioed villain plotting to sell customer data to North Korean hackers. The problem with Windows 10 is that Microsoft transformed tracking from an opt-in behavior (Windows 7) to a mandatory feature that non-enterprise customers can’t opt out of. ... The problem with yelling “Microsoft is fine because everybody else does it, too!” is that it sets no firm boundaries on what should or shouldn’t be acceptable behavior. For years, companies defended vacuuming up customer data by claiming that they anonymized it. In the past six months, we’ve seen several companies drop the pretense and announce that henceforth, they won’t bother anonymizing data at all. Verizon is going to sell your personal information. Vizio was selling customer data whether you actually agreed to it or not. We’ve already seen examples of how shifting trends lead to business decisions that were unthinkable breaches of privacy 15 years ago. If Verizon and Vizio get away with what they’re doing, other companies will follow suit. In a recent episode of Windows Weekly, Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley scoffed at the Forbes.com columnist (cited upthread) who dismissed as "rubbish" the idea that Windows 10 is more secure than Windows 7. Foley's line: "Friends don't let friends read Gordon Kelly." No trace of an argument there, just pure sarcasm. They offered neither arguments nor facts in opposition. I have downloaded my last episode of Windows Weekly. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Looking closely at the daily statcounter numbers, it seems Win 10 usage is off some since the holidays (and back to mid-December levels), while Win 7 has picked back up. Win 8.1 continues to decline, albeit very slowly. That's not at all surprising, and still says, VERY clearly: Win 7 is for real work, later versions are more and more for fluff. -Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Revealed! The crucial detail that Windows 10 privacy critics are missing From the above article, a quoted quote: Microsoft insists that its telemetry system is designed to prevent any privacy issues. "We collect a limited amount of information to help us provide a secure and reliable experience," the company says, describing telemetry data without using the term. "This includes data like an anonymous device ID and device type. ... This doesn't include any of your content or files, and we take several steps to avoid collecting any information that directly identifies you, such as your name, email address or account ID." Just imagine trying to create a secure and reliable experience BEFORE unleashing the software on the public. Last century thinking. My IP address can be used to identify where I live (visit http://www.ipfingerprints.com/geolocation.php some time and see where the pin drops on the map). These anti-privacy idiots ignore the fact that with just a bit more collected information anyone with a brain could identify you and exactly where you live. And they'll of course know when you're online there as they watch the login database, the sites you surf, the keystrokes you type... I can say this with confidence: If they can't collect any data, then no data can be lost, stolen, or misused. Period. I have an idea: How about building a system without a million latent problems, and WE report to them what we want to when there's a problem. Nah, that's just SO last century. -Noel Edited January 9, 2016 by NoelC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techie007 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) I have an idea: How about building a system without a million latent problems, and WE report to them what we want to when there's a problem. Nah, that's just SO last century. Right on! With all the Telemetry data Microsoft is collecting, they can sure see what a user is doing, almost down to the mouse-click in some places. However, what they cannot see is what that user is thinking while they're doing. Those three launches of Settings in the last hour and 15 minutes spent clicking though all the options, and no use of the Control Panel in the last month could mean any of the following:The user really likes the new Settings app and is exploring all the new options. Time to ditch the Control Panel because hardly anybody uses it anymore.The user is very frustrated with a default setting, but can't find the specific setting they're looking for. But they're still looking.The user can't find the Control Panel and is completely lost in the Settings app. This is why user feedback should be so much more important to Microsoft than usage (telemetry) feedback. In addition, it isn't the sheeple Microsoft needs to worry about. They either will or won't figure out the new systems and methods, but it won't make any difference anyway since they'll always blame themselves. It's the outspoken and knowledgeable users (like us!) that can do a company's reputation the most harm, because we know what we're talking about, know it isn't our fault, and will certainly share our experiences with others. Edited January 9, 2016 by Techie007 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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