NoelC Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Wrong. Aero is there - it's just been hobbled to appear flat and lifeless. -Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Wrong. Aero is there - it's just been hobbled to appear flat and lifeless.-NoelLet's call it "Swamp" instead of Aero jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Why? With Big Muscle's tool to restore translucency and a theme atlas to restore drop shadows it's fine. My Windows 8.1 desktop experience isn't really worse than with Win 7 Aero. That's not to say Microsoft isn't trying to make it worse. But so far 3rd party developers have been able to compensate for Microsoft's deviousness in actively hobbling the desktop in order to try to get people to love Metro/Modern. That may not be possible forever.-Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submix8c Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Not necessarily O/T (ref in particular the links inside) -http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/171674-mass-hysteria-on-the-interwebs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinifera Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) there is difference between hack and slash something to "restore" somethingand providing something nativelyif this is the case of your Aerothen XP had it too, Stardock provided it with its own engine that was slapping itself onto uxthemeothers like Komalo, TrueTransparency and ViSplore also hacked and slashed their own apps and provided itdoes that mean XP had Aero ? Edited April 29, 2014 by vinifera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epic Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Xp was never a good UI. I always hated it. The Vista/7 UI is 1000 times better.The BASE system components of Vista/7 also consume 1.5x - 4x more memory than XP, and buggy as hell.It's not that its M$ misleading people, but companies in general. People will do anything to get an extra couple bucks.Hence fraud... people usually went to jail / prison for this shit back in the day. If you can't be 100% honest about a product, then you shouldn't be selling / offering it, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 The Aero implementation is still there. DWM is still present. In fact, desktop composition is now the ONLY way it works, opposed to the Classic theme of Win 7, which turned off desktop composition. It's Aero GLASS that's no longer implemented, strictly because Microsoft decided it would be better for them if they started trying to herd people to Metro/Modern. I'm sorry to pick apart terminology, but getting it wrong doesn't help make any points. I'm not opposing your viewpoint that Microsoft is going in the wrong direction - I share it.As much of Aero as is still there may imply Microsoft doesn't even have the talent to remove entire features any more.-Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epic Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Metro is useless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Doing even small changes can be painful in a large project, it's all about how it was programmed. But Microsoft is recycling code since... DOS? I Wonder how messy the code is, actually. Edited April 29, 2014 by pichorra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinifera Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Metro is useless!not entirelyit actually makes people be pissed off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripredacus Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 if this is the case of your Aero then XP had it too, Stardock provided it with its own engine that was slapping itself onto uxtheme others like Komalo, TrueTransparency and ViSplore also hacked and slashed their own apps and provided it does that mean XP had Aero ? Sure. In that case, Windows 95 and 98 have Aero as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinifera Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) not to mention that we are all worng regarding Aerobut the term has been often replaced with real one so ...the truth is that Aero was name for new user interface, glass has nothing to do with it proof lying as early as Longhorn build 4039,the first leaked build that contained full working DWMAero express, had Opaque (filled) window borders, but UI was still rendered via GPUwhile Aero (full) had Glass enablednext time this was seen in Vista beta 1 build 5112if you install nVidia LDDM test drivers, you will be presented withagain Aero Express and Aero Fullbut oh well ... Edited May 2, 2014 by vinifera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flasche Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Metro is useless!Metro is everything described in this page http://toastytech.com/guis/uirant.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 I was not wrong. Thing is, many folks don't sense the subtle differences between an old style non-composited desktop and what Windows is presenting now because it's been a long time since we've had computers slow enough that we could see the actual window pixels being painted in. Remember when, on a pre DWM setup, you'd see all the controls flicker as you were resizing a window and they were all repainted before your very eyes?Many folks believe Microsoft when they say they removed Aero GLASS to save resources, when almost all of the activity is still there just to paint flat, lifeless, "digitally authentic" UI elements. One really needs hip boots mow to deal with all the Marketing speak.-Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) I was not wrong.Thing is, many folks don't sense the subtle differences between an old style non-composited desktop and what Windows is presenting now because it's been a long time since we've had computers slow enough that we could see the actual window pixels being painted in. Remember when, on a pre DWM setup, you'd see all the controls flicker as you were resizing a window and they were all repainted before your very eyes?Many folks believe Microsoft when they say they removed Aero GLASS to save resources, when almost all of the activity is still there just to paint flat, lifeless, "digitally authentic" UI elements. One really needs hip boots mow to deal with all the Marketing speak.-NoelThat's interesting. My understanding all along was that saving resources on cr*ppy mobile devices (never mind the billions of desktop PCs out there) was the whole purpose for removing Aero Glass, and that the bit about abandoning "skeuomorphism" was just an after-the-fact rationalization for public consumption.If not for saving resources on mobile devices, then what earthly reason could there be for removing Aero Glass?(Note: I'm not being argumentative, just asking sincerely, and above all trying to understand what Microsoft's rationale could possibly be.)--JorgeAEDIT: typo, clarification Edited May 2, 2014 by JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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