Roman78 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Hello everybody...I have a problem with my musikplayer project.First of all about my project. I got some old cash register computers from my company, DLOG HPC 5, these are old 8,4" touschscreen computers with an AMD K6-II 400 Mhz CPU and 256 mb Ram. XP runs fine on it. Also installed Foobar2000 as musik library.Now the problem is that the computer only sees max 32 Gb harddisks. Bigger harddisks are not seen by the Bios (there is no Bios update and no expansion slots for an extra controller). Now i tried 2 harddisks, the first (20gb) with XP and the secend (80gb) for data, than set the second harddisk on "None" in the bios. XP sees the bigger harddisk and it's working. But i don't have the space for two harddisks in this case. Now i got a 32mb (megabyte) SSD, a so called "on disk module", this one would fit next to a normal 2,5" harddisk. Than i tried to get XP in the first partiton on the big harddisk and the boot part on the 32 mb ssd. But this is not working because the harddisk is not accessible whitout a bios entery.And now i need some help.I know from the very old past, when there was the 8 gb and 32 gb limit, that harddisk manufacturers had software to write some data into the MBR so that the OS would see the bigger space. But is this also possible whit my problem. Or is there another solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdob Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Without BIOS support you may switch to hard diskhttp://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21242To set this up, use the 32 MB SSD and the 20 GB HDD.If this works, copy files from the 20 GB HDD to the 80 GB HDD. Next adjust signature checksum again.Or patch the BIOS to remove the 32 GB limit.http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/J.Steunebrink/k6plus.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) The "fake signature" method (or "XP Kansas City Shuffle") that cdob : referred you to is likely the only way.In any case it might be easier to do the tests if after having duly tread the given thread:http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21242to grasp the concepts, and particularly this post by Dietmar that lists the strictly needed set of files:http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?s=&showtopic=21242&view=findpost&p=144095you would use this nice project (also by cdob):http://reboot.pro/index.php?showtopic=6672See if you find the manual approach doable, feel free to ask questions/help, keep us posted.jaclaz Edited August 15, 2013 by jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman78 Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Is it not possible to use DDO on the smaller harddisk to active the bigger one?Also found PLOP (http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html), maybe this could be a solution. Plop aslo reads vmk files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I am not aware of a similar DDO and of it can work on that particular machine, the "right" way has been already suggested (BIOS patching) but again it might be non-trivial. PLoP : could also be an alternative to the "XP Kansas City Shuffle" but AFAIK/AFAICR it extends ONLY the USB (and the CD-ROM IDE) part of the BIOS, so I don't believe it can be of use (but I may well be wrong on this).PLoP has been vastly (and successfully) used (together or without the "XP Kansas City Shuffle") on whole families of machines which hardware included a USB 2.0 controller but the BIOS only provided USB 1.1. support at boot time, but I dont' see "USB" anywhere in your question.I don't understand what you mean by "Plop aslo reads vmk files." jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman78 Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Oh i ment vmdk files, Vmware virtual Disk image files.The problem is that this is a special mainboard (see picture), and there are no custom BIOS files, and im not sure to make my own. But it's worth a try... i have 14 of those machies here. So no problem when i kill one or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Oh i ment vmdk files, Vmware virtual Disk image files.I really don't think that PLoP has any support for VMDK. (though there is a - very limited at the moment - VHD loader): http://www.plop.at/en/vhdloader.html https://forum.plop.at/index.php/topic,448.0/ The problem is that this is a special mainboard (see picture), and there are no custom BIOS files, and im not sure to make my own. But it's worth a try... i have 14 of those machies here. So no problem when i kill one or two Sure , but still you have a relatively easy "universal" solution at hand, and before risking to kill *any* machine, I would try that one. BTW, given the "age" of that motherboard it will likely have the BIOS on a socket (cannot be sure from the photo), if it has you should be able of doing a "hot-swap" of the BIOS, i.e. to be able to easily recover the (accidentally) "killed" machine. Nice little machines, and it seems like they do have some commercial value: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SYMBOL-MOTOROLA-DLOG-D-LOG-HPC-5-TERMINAL-HPC-K6-2-266-/321145428374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac5c25996 jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdob Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Is it not possible to use DDO on the smaller harddisk to active the bigger one?Which BIOS do yo use? It's a Award 4.51PG?Which hard disk do you use?A DDO is asking for trouble in the long terme. Try a DDO solution from the hard disk manufacturer.The problem is that this is a special mainboard (see picture), and there are no custom BIOS files, and im not sure to make my own.http://www.ryston.cz/petr/bios/award.htmlhttp://www.ryston.cz/petr/bios/ga586hx_mod.htmlAsks Jan or Petr to patch the BIOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdob Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Is it not possible to use DDO on the smaller harddisk to active the bigger one?What about XP booting without BIOS support?If you like to use DDO:First truncate the 80 GB HDD to 32 GB. Use a hardware jumper.Or use software: use HDD installation tools. Can you connect the HDD to another machine?Connect the HDD to the HPC 5, primary master. Enable HDD at BIOS.http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/There are some HDD installation tools at Ultimate Boot CD. Some are OEM versions from Ontrack's DDO.Or http://vintage-pc.tripod.com/hdd_utils.htmlInstall the DDO, this enables a 80 GB HDD.Install XP next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman78 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'll try to patch the bios. It's an Award D586 on a socket. So it's no risk indeed.@cdob unfortuanlly does all my 2,5" harddisk no hardware 32gb jumper. otherwise it would no problem. Well a little problem, the bigger harddisks i have are IBM/Hitachi, and IBM does not have the DDO awailible anymore (but i think i should have one in my drivers backups.... somewere. I have somethink of 20 GB old drivers from the Dos and W9x era). Nice little machines, and it seems like they do have some commercial value:http://www.ebay.com/itm/SYMBOL-MOTOROLA-DLOG-D-LOG-HPC-5-TERMINAL-HPC-K6-2-266-/321145428374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac5c25996 What...??? 500 Dollar... Holy sh... I have 14 of those here. Or let say 13, because we had some whit touchscreen and 640x480 resoution and some whitout touschscreen and 800x600 resolution. So now i have a 800x600 whit toushscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 What...??? 500 Dollar... Holy sh... I have 14 of those here. Or let say 13, because we had some whit touchscreen and 640x480 resoution and some whitout touschscreen and 800x600 resolution. So now i have a 800x600 whit toushscreen. You are sitting apparently on a small fortune. jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman78 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 We had 70, the most went into the garbage. But that was before my time here in this company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdob Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 unfortuanlly does all my 2,5" harddisk no hardware 32gb jumper. otherwise it would no problem. Well a little problem, the bigger harddisks i have are IBM/Hitachi, and IBM does not have the DDO awailible anymore (but i think i should have one in my drivers backups IBM Drive Fitness test limits the capacity too.Use another machine to set the capacity. There are 2.5 to 3.5 IDE adapter. There is Disk Manger V9.61 (IBM) at Ultimate Boot CD.However I doubt this support XP and not a HGST HDD. Idea, not tested:Seagate "DiscWizard Starter Edition 10" creates a rescue DDO floppy: Ontrack Boot Diskette.Run a virtual machine, write DDO to a virtual floppy.Copy the floppy image to the 32 MB SSD.Install grub4dos to the 32 MB SSD, include floppy image to menu.lst.Connect 80 GB, include to BIOS.Boot the 32 MB SSD, launch DDO floppy image.Can you access 80 GB at 80 GB hard disk? Next step:Boot a XP CD, DDO is not loaded, hence a 32 GB HDD.Install XP to a 2 GB partition.Boot XP via DDO floppy image.Create a 78 GB data partition.Benefit:you can boot and repair XP without a loaded DDO.However data partition is available partially only, data loss is possible, be carefaul. There is a Asus TXP4-X, a AMD K6-III 450, 2x 128 MB SD-RAM (16 Mx8) and a 40 GB Maxtor HDD at local museum box.There is the Award 4.51PG BIOS with the a 32 GB limit. And Jan provides a patched BIOS too.I may be temped to do some tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdob Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 New game: plain XP, without a DDORemember:The Textmode part rely on BIOS and MBR: windows partitionThe booted XP rely on partition code to mount a partition: second data partition1. Truncate the 80 HDD to 32 GB (Seagate DiscWizard or IBM Drive Fitness)2. Connect the HDD to the DLOG HPC 5 as primary master with BIOS support3. Install XP, create a partition within first 32 GB4. Use another (USB) machine. Set 80 GB size to 80 GB HDD, Create a new partition, fill up the HDD5. Truncate the 80 HDD to 32 GB6. Connect the HDD to the DLOG HPC 57. Enjoy a 80 GB HDDOf course, do not change parititons after.Avoid all partiton tools at the truncated HDD.The 40 GB HDD is available at the TXP4-X, BIOS from 12/02/97Todo: fill second partition to the brim, does it boot still?@jaclazHow to create second partition within HPC 5?That's create a second partition up to 80 GB at a 32 GB HDD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdob Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 How to create second partition within HPC 5?That's create a second partition up to 80 GB at a 32 GB HDD?New game 2nd: plain XP, without a DDODiscWizard v10 list max sectors, even at a truncated 80 GB HDD.PTEDIT32 is available stillftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip1. Truncate the 80 GB HDD to 32 GB (Seagate DiscWizard or IBM Drive Fitness) Remember HDD max sectors2. Connect the HDD to the DLOG HPC 5 as primary master with BIOS support3. Install XP, create a partition less than 32 GB4. run disk manager, create a second data partition: size fill up to 32 GB, don't format the volume5. run ptedit32, recognice "Sectors Before" from second partition set "Sectors": calculate max sectors less sectors before6. Reboot, format the volume 7. Enjoy a 80 GB HDDBe carefull: not fully tested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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