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4 hours ago, Dave-H said:

and Otter 1.0.81 open the Cote website fine without HTTPSProxy enabled.
Opera 36 does as well, but again without the background video.

Otter v1.0.81[weekly300-xp] uses OpenSSL 1.0.2o, so that fact alone empowers it with support for a plethora of cipher suites (and TLS versions); not only a great number of cipher suites are already enabled by default, you can also add additional ones (out of the many OpenSSL supports):

73L2Yld.jpg

However, the xp (and Vista) compatible package (compiled with QT 5.6.2) uses gstreamer as the media backend; because of patented decoders (h264, aac) licence issues, the distributed binaries lack support for h264 decoding and this is a deal-breaker for me in today's media-rich web; the Win7+ packages are compiled with a higher QT version (5.13.1, requires Win7+) which comes with support for the native WMF framework (present in Vista+), enabling access to OS provided patented decoders; to cut a long story short, Otter v1.0.81 on XP/Vista will load fine cote.co.uk, but won't play the background video...

The reason Opera 36/XP doesn't, also, play the background video is quite similar; the browser (unlike Chrome 49) doesn't come bundled with a h264 decoder, the OS has to provide that through WMF; but, as you know already, XP lacks WMF :(. FTR, Opera 36/VistaSP2 does load the site and does play the background video...

Best regards :)

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Lots of great info as usual, major pity I'll forget most of it soon (just hoping to find it again later when some day needed), but a simpler lesson to take away from this:
Contrary to previous theory, Mozilla-browsers are NOT the only ones supporting modern (?) ciphers on older systems. Just about every other browser can do it too - EXCEPT one: IE!

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@VistaLover

This is off-topic, but there is a workaround for Otter to get YouTube and Facebook videos working on XP.
You need to download this -
https://otter-browser.org/tmp/otter-browser-xp2.zip
Then you need to copy the "Lib" folder over from that version to the current version.
I did that ages ago, and it still works.
See this thread for more detail.
:)

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(Continuing, hopefully not for long ;) , OT discussion about media playback capabilities of Otter Browser under XP/Vista)

3 hours ago, Dave-H said:

See this thread for more detail.

Many thanks for that link, which also uncovered the rest of the official Otter Browser Forum for me :thumbup; thing is, I only keep Otter here as an oddity item, not investing serious time in educating myself about its peculiarities and overall development :( ... I did read, though, the whole linked thread and have to say the real money is on the very last post there, by member maxxproff :

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There is one additional library libgstlibav.dll at lib\gstreamer-1.0\ at this archive.
Without this dll all other builds won't play video!

It's in fact that huge (77.4 MB) DLL alone that gives the "-xp" (QT 5.6.2 based) Otter builds h264 (and VP8) decoding support; so this is a big improvement compared to the stock XP/Vista builds :cheerleader:
 But that support alone will only allow for the reproduction of standalone MP4 files (local files or ones streamed via progressive download, such as 360p & 720p avc1+aac youtube encodes); however, as also pointed out in that post, with this solution there's still no support for MSE, despite setting

about:config => QtWebKitBackend => EnableMediaSource : Yes

So, MP4 files streamed over MPEG-DASH , like youtube's higher resolution (e.g. 1080p+) encodes (separate video/audio streams), won't be played back (actually, they don't appear as options at all...).

This is made clear using the (now archived) YouTube HTML5 test page:

Vx1oc0K.jpg

Inside the blue-lined rectangle, functions enabled by the standalone libgstlibav.dll file...

That fix has been really appreciated though, many thanks indeed! :cheerleader:

Cheers! :)

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No problem!
I keep wondering whether Otter should be given more prominence in the "browsers that work on XP" threads in the XP section here.
I've been monitoring it for years as the intention is to replicate Presto Opera, which I used for many years and was considered by many to be the best browser ever produced before it was cruelly abandoned in favour of yet another Chromium-based browser. Unfortunately Otter's development has been at a glacial pace, I suspect because there's actually very few people working on it, and although they did finally get to an official release, it's still very far away from something I would want to use as my default browser.
All credit for them for maintaining XP compatibility though!
:)

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On 11/20/2019 at 4:56 AM, VistaLover said:

Perhaps Chrome 49 has native support for that cipher suite and only uses the Windows Store for certificates, NOT using Schannel like IE does

... And a nice find I stumbled upon just now (!) :

On 12/31/2016 at 5:08 PM, Ninho said:

I read that Chrome has had its own crypto for TLS and so on, starting from Chrome v. 37. But in my case I have Chrome 34 and stuck with it (for it is the last Chrome version able to run on a processor without SSE2 like my AMD Athlon XP) - this explains why our respective findings may differ in this respect : my Chrome still relies on Windows for the TLS crypto stuff.

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On 11/22/2019 at 2:53 AM, Dave-H said:

No problem!
I keep wondering whether Otter should be given more prominence in the "browsers that work on XP" threads in the XP section here.
I've been monitoring it for years as the intention is to replicate Presto Opera, which I used for many years and was considered by many to be the best browser ever produced before it was cruelly abandoned in favour of yet another Chromium-based browser. Unfortunately Otter's development has been at a glacial pace, I suspect because there's actually very few people working on it, and although they did finally get to an official release, it's still very far away from something I would want to use as my default browser.
All credit for them for maintaining XP compatibility though!
:)

xp still alive ~! LOL... all browser not support it anymore... open windows xp likely no where to go...

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7 hours ago, cyberloner said:

xp still alive ~! LOL... all browser not support it anymore... open windows xp likely no where to go...

how old are you ?

you do realize web didn't change that much since ~2008 ?
-> thus any browser since then would work just fine

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