Jump to content

New nLite User. A Few Questions.


TBurrfootsIre

Recommended Posts

1st let me say I think nLite is a slick piece of software and thank the designer(s) for making it.

Now, down to business. LOL

Here's my questions:

1) I want to install updates for my system but am unsure which way to go about doing them. I have been reading the Users Guide and it talks about 3 different ways of doing it and I don't know which to use. Is one way better than the others? The /integrate method sounds the easiest, but does that mean it is less likely to work correctly, otherwise why show more complicated ways of doing it.

2) In relation to previous question, in the Users Guide it talks about how the updates/hotfixes are a total of like 25-30 MB's, but when I go to update site after fresh install it spits out like 99 critical updates that total WAY over 25-30 MB's. So, I am just wondering if It is OK to slipstream that many updates over what is mentioned in guide?

3) If anyone here is familiar with it, I have made a custom IE8 install using the IEAK and would like to slipstream it into XP, can anyone tell me if possible to do it, and if so, the best method to use? For one thing, I believe it requires .net 2.0 be installed, so I would need to be sure it was installed before the installation of IE8 started since if I am not mistaken, XP Pro SP3 doesn't come with 2.0. So, say I use one of those available .net packs, do they install BEFORE the installer for IE8 ran or after? Also, could/should I remove 'Internet Explorer' using the available option during the customize part of nLite or does the IE8 installer need it as a base file or something and/or would it prevent/remove MY IE8 from installing as well?

Guessing I will probably have more questions before all is said and done but will leave it at that for the moment. LOL

THANKS IN ADVANCE EVERYONE!!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 - ...less likely to work correctly, otherwise why show more complicated ways of doing it...
1a - No, but certain updates might need to be installed first

1b - More than HotFixes can be integrated and other methods are available

2 - ...WAY over 25-30 MB's...
Take a look at what MS is listing - more than just "standard HotFixes" (including IE8)
...custom IE8...
Both dotNet and IE8 have a different way of "integrating". These are not "HotFixes" so more you need to do more research on the "Complicated Ways".

Browse the nLite and Unattended Stickies...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

First, let me say thanks for responding!

1a - No, but certain updates might need to be installed first

OK, so all 3 methods work just as good, got it. So what does one update needing to be installed before another have to do with which process works better? I HAVE read the users guide and searched around and noticed people say that you should do hotfixes by number(lowest 1st) which makes sense. However, I got my updates by the fresh install, copying down the updates found and what order they were installed in and then downloading them separately method, but I noticed they weren't installed at Windows Update by number. For example below is, in order installed, the first 8 updates done by windows(Note: not installed in order according to number):

KB982670 .NET 4 Client Pack (Couldn't find this one by manual search method, so guess won't include and hope none of updates that follow it, need it)

.Net Framework 1.1 (This one didn't have a 'KB' number or anything that I saw. Also, was thinking this was version included in SP3 but guess not.)

KB940157 Windows Search (Probably don't really need this)

KB909520 Base Smart Card Package

KB951847 .NET 3.5 Family Update (Figured I'd start off installing this .NET first, do .NET 4 later, MAYBE)

KB971513 Update for XP

KB931125 Update for Root Certificates

KB971029 Update for XP

1b - More than HotFixes can be integrated and other methods are available

I realize that, but I am going by Users Guide 'adding Hotfix section', adding other software is in a later section. Let me get these methods figured out before adding even more into the mix please, LOL.

Take a look at what MS is listing - more than just "standard HotFixes" (including IE8)

All but 12 are security updates, XP updates or .NET updates, Can post full list if you like. I may be new to nLite but not a new computer user in general, I know IE8 is a full app. and not just an update. Besides IE is in the software section, not critical updates section at Windows Update, if I'm not mistaken.

Both dotNet and IE8 have a different way of "integrating". These are not "HotFixes" so more you need to do more research on the "Complicated Ways".

I realize that, as mentioned in previous response. Mainly all I was asking about my IE8 is can it be done. I HAVE DONE research and see mainly people saying only IE7 can be added or that you need to use a pre-made 'addon pack' so was asking if using my IE8 was even doable. If it is, then maybe some advice on how.

Browse the nLite and Unattended Stickies...

I have for HOURS, they all basically say the same thing or contradict one another, and are not written so that someone new to this can understand it.

Edited by TBurrfootsIre
Link to comment
Share on other sites

All but 12 are security updates, XP updates or .NET updates
Again, NET and IE8 are not "Hotfixes" (you list NET in the first list you give - NOT to be Hotfix Integrated). These are more like "add-ons" (like Media Player 11). This is what the "other slipstream methods" refer to. Basic "slipstream" is XP-Only SP's and Hotfixes, all else is kind of "add-on". Note that even AutoPatcher-dot-com provides these items separately from XP-Only (except IE8, since AutoPatcher is strictly After-Initial-Install Updates)...

As for IE8 (a different "beast"), I haven't any idea how to change your "Customized" for integration. Integrating IE8 requires further knowledge of the package - there's some topics on "how it was done" and an "Add-On Package" available (sans "customization"). You'll probably have to search MSFN for the info/package. You might be able to "alter" the package or use the package as a "guide" for how to install your "customized" version as an Add-On.

Browse the Add-On sub-forum to get the idea...

edit - Correction - here

dotNet here

a smidgen of IE8 help here

Edited by submix8c
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have been reading the Users Guide and it talks about 3 different ways of doing it and I don't know which to use. [...] it talks about how the updates/hotfixes are a total of like 25-30 MB's

First, can you provide a link to the guide you're using? It may be out of date and/or contain inaccuracies compared to the official nLite guide (HTML/PDF). MSFN's Unattended Windows guide, while useful as is, could use rewrites for many sections and certainly does not contain the latest information on using nLite.

I have made a custom IE8 install using the IEAK and would like to slipstream it into XP, can anyone tell me if possible to do it, and if so, the best method to use?

I have not used IEAK, but it is possible to slipstream IE8 with nLite using one of several available addons.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Again, NET and IE8 are not "Hotfixes" (you list NET in the first list you give - NOT to be Hotfix Integrated). These are more like "add-ons" (like Media Player 11).

Yes, as I said , got that .NET, MP 11 & IE are NOT hotfixes. I realized the 2 .NET's I listed earlier are not hotfixes, but in that instance I was just listing things in order of installation. Although they were listed in the 'Critical Updates' on Windows Update, but I guess Critical doesn't necessarily mean patch/hotfix. So, are .NET security updates considered add-ons then also, and not just hotfixes? If so, that raises the number out of the 99 updates that aren't hotfixes to 24, which still leaves around 75. No, the 75 doesn't include any program or hardware updates at Windows Update, including IE & Media Player. It only includes items that were in the top 'Priority/Critical Updates' section on Windows Update.

You might be able to "alter" the package or use the package as a "guide" for how to install your "customized" version as an Add-On.

So you think judging by what has been discussed here that I have the knowledge needed to altar an existing package? Probably not!! LOL

Link to comment
Share on other sites

First, can you provide a link to the guide you're using?

Here is guide I've been trying to use. http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/1/

Is that the best guide to use or is their another one that is better? As I said, I found a couple others, but each talks about doing things somewhat different and gets too confusing so was trying to just stick with one guide.

I have not used IEAK, but it is possible to slipstream IE8 with nLite using one of several available addons.

From what I could gather by the add-ons I saw, they are pre-setup IE installers. That won't work for me since I need to do the one I made if possible. 'submix8c' mentioned using one of the available existing IE add-ons as a guide which would be good idea if I thought I had the knowledge to do it. Suppose I could try, never know right? LOL

AGAIN, THANKS GUYS FOR YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully I'll get this figured out one of these days. Probably be after XP is no longer usable as an OS due to everything progressing beyond it's capabilities. LOL

Edited by TBurrfootsIre
Link to comment
Share on other sites

OK, decided since we seem to be butting heads on the whole hotfix versus add-on thing, I figured I'd go ahead and post the entire list of updates that were classified as 'Priority/Security Updates at Windows Update site. I have put a '*' in front of the ones I would consider hotfixes and would treat as such, please let me know if I am wrong on any if you happen to know. THANKS!!

KB892130- WGA Tool (Don't plan on trying to preinstall this so forget about it.)

*KB898461- Update for XP

*KB979309- Security Update for Windows XP

*KB978601- Security Update for Windows XP

*KB2479628- Security Update for Windows XP

*KB2478960- Security Update for Windows XP

*KB2393802- Security Update for Windows XP

*KB2485376- Security Update for Windows XP

*KB2476687- Security Update for Windows XP

KB2482017- Cumulative Update for IE6 for XP

KB890830- Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool (Don't plan on trying to preinstall this so forget about it.)

*KB2478971- Security Update for XP

*KB2483185- Security Update for XP

*KB2419632- Security Update for XP

*KB2079403- Security Update for XP

*KB2423089- Security Update for XP

*KB2443105- Security Update for XP

*KB2443685- Update for XP

*KB2440591- Security Update for XP

*KB975558- Security Update for XP

*KB979687- Security Update for XP

*KB2296011- Security Update for XP

*KB2387149- Security Update for XP

*KB982132- Security Update for XP

*KB2360937- Security Update for XP

*KB2259922- Security Update for XP

*KB981322- Security Update for XP

*KB2121546- Security Update for XP

*KB2347290- Security Update for XP

*KB2115168- Security Update for XP

*KB982214- Security Update for XP

*KB981997- Security Update for XP

*KB980436- Security Update for XP

*KB2229593- Security Update for XP

KB978695- Security Update for Windows Media Format Runtime 9,9.5 & 11

KB980195- Cumulative Update for ActiveX Killbits for XP

*KB979482- Security Update for XP

*KB975562- Security Update for XP

*KB978542- Security Update for XP

*KB980232- Security Update for XP

*KB977816- Security Update for XP

*KB978338- Security Update for XP

*KB981349- Security Update for XP

*KB975713- Security Update for XP

*KB975560- Security Update for XP

*KB977914- Security Update for XP

*KB978706- Security Update for XP

*KB972270- Security Update for XP

*KB974318- Security Update for XP

*KB974392- Security Update for XP

*KB955759- Update for XP

*KB973904- Security Update for XP

*KB973687- Update for XP

*KB952069- Security Update for XP SP3

KB954155- Security Update for Windows Media Format Runtime 9,9.5 & 11

*KB975025- Security Update for XP

*KB974571- Security Update for XP

*KB974112- Security Update for XP

*KB958869- Security Update for XP

*KB969059- Security Update for XP

*KB968389- Update for XP

*KB956844- Security Update for XP

KB971961- Security Update for Jscript 5.7 for XP

*KB973540- Security Update for XP SP3

*KB973869- Security Update for XP

*KB956744- Security Update for XP

*KB973507- Security Update for XP

*KB960859- Security Update for XP

*KB973815- Security Update for XP

*KB971657- Security Update for XP

*KB961501- Security Update for XP

*KB923561- Security Update for XP

*KB956572- Security Update for XP

*KB952004- Security Update for XP

*KB960803- Security Update for XP

*KB959426- Security Update for XP

KB905474- WGA Notification (Don't plan on trying to preinstall this so forget about it.)

*KB967715- Update for XP

*KB956803- Security Update for XP

*KB956802- Security Update for XP

*KB954459- Security Update for XP

*KB958644- Security Update for XP

*KB946648- Security Update for XP

*KB952954- Security Update for XP

*KB950974- Security Update for XP

*KB952287- Update for XP

*KB951376- Security Update for XP

*KB950762- Security Update for XP

*KB923789- Security Update for XP

*KB982670- .NET Framework 4 Client Profile for XP x86 (Don't plan on trying to preinstall this so forget about it.)

.NET Framework v1.1

KB940157- Windows Search 4.0 for XP

KB909520- Microsoft Base Smart Card Cryptographic Service Provider Package (x86)

KB951847- .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 & .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update

*KB971513- Update for XP

KB931125- Update for Root Certificates

*KB971029- Update for XP

KB976569- .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 Update for XP x86

KB976570- .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 Update for XP x86

KB968930- Windows Powershell 2.0 & WinRM 2.0 for XP & Embedded

*KB961118- Update for XP

*KB963093- Security Update for XP

KB963707- Update to .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 for .NET Framework Assistant

*KB970430- Update for XP

*KB971737- Update for XP

KB982168- .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 update for XP x86

KB979909- .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 & .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 Update

KB983583- .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 & 3.5 SP1 Update

*KB2141007- Update for XP

KB2345886- (COULDN'T FIND THIS ONE)

KB2418241- Security Update for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 & 3.5 SP1

KB2416473- Security Update for .NET Framework 3.5 SP1

KB971961- Security Update for Jscript 5.8 for XP

*KB976662- Update for XP

*KB981332- Security Update for XP

KB2416447- Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 SP1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

KB2345886- (COULDN'T FIND THIS ONE)

Here you go:

KB2345886 - WindowsXP-KB2345886-x86-ENU.exe

Again, NET and IE8 are not "Hotfixes" (you list NET in the first list you give - NOT to be Hotfix Integrated). These are more like "add-ons" (like Media Player 11).
we seem to be butting heads on the whole hotfix versus add-on thing,

That is understandable. Forget the word "hotfix" for now; its meaning depends heavily on context. Strictly speaking, most people use the word wrong. Let's call them updates instead without going heavily into definitions.

Your update list appears to be from a machine with dotNET and other applications installed. You should try to obtain a list from a clean Windows installation, or use the list compiled by MSFN member -X-.

What submix8c is trying to say is that nLite cannot directly slipstream some things like dotNET and IE8. For these you need AddOns. To be entirely clear here, when I say "slipstream" I do not mean "piggyback an installer into the Windows installation." Slipstreamed updates directly replace existing files in your Windows source; they take up no additional space. IE8 can be slipstreamed in this way with an addon, directly replacing the IE6 files on the CD.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Many of those are not high-priority updates. They are in the category software, optional.

Do as 5eraph has already mentioned. You can go to my page and see the entire list of high-priority updates needed for WinXP. There is also a batch file that will download them all for you. Some, like the Windows media ones, can not be directly integrated with nLite due to a bug in nLite. I have turned these problematic updates in add-ons that work. The downloader will download these.

http://xdot.tk/updates.html

Edited by -X-
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here you go:

Thanks!

Your update list appears to be from a machine with dotNET and other applications installed. You should try to obtain a list from a clean Windows installation...

The list is what Update found after installing a fresh XP on a partition I'm using for testing. The disc was made from a supposed, clean XP SP2 .iso downloaded from internet to which I slipstreamed SP3 adding nLite, then burned. I believe the .NET's were installed by the download KB982670 (Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile for XP x86) listed above.

What submix8c is trying to say is that nLite cannot directly slipstream some things like dotNET and IE8. For these you need AddOns. To be entirely clear here, when I say "slipstream" I do not mean "piggyback an installer into the Windows installation." Slipstreamed updates directly replace existing files in your Windows source; they take up no additional space. IE8 can be slipstreamed in this way with an addon, directly replacing the IE6 files on the CD.

OK, in1st sentence you say IE8 CANNOT be slipstreamed but then in last sentence you say it CAN. This is the kind of thing I've been reading that confuses me. Or are you trying to say that nLite cannot do it without the use of an add-on? Or maybe I'm confused on what an add-on is as mentioned. I am thinking an add-on is just a package that includes specific information needed to install it, but add-on itself is still added to OS using nLite's add-on step. Is that correct or are they entirely independent of nLite and added to disc on their own?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

supposed, clean XP SP2 .iso downloaded from internet to

We cannot help you any further...

Please read our forum rules.

We have a very strcit no-warez policy.

See here:

No Illegal/Copyrighted Software Discussion

1.a This is not a warez site! Links/Requests to warez and/or illegal material (e.g., cracks, serials, etc.) will not be tolerated. Discussion of circumventing WGA/activation/timebombs/license restrictions, use of keygens, or any other illegal activity, including, but not limited to, requests for help where pirated software is being used or being discussed, will also not be tolerated. Offenders may be banned on first violation.

Also here: (FYI)

5. Images in signatures shall not exceed a total of 380x100 pixels and 100kB. Flash and animated signatures, avatars, and photos are not permitted. You can enter a maximum of four (4) lines of text in your signature for a text-only signature, or one (1) line of text above or below a signature that contains an image. Advertising and/or affiliates are not allowed in signatures nor avatars. Avatars are to be a maximum of 100x100 pixels. If your avatar or signature goes above these guidelines they will be taken off without notice. Any avatars or signatures found to be attached to a thread on MSFN being used as a host will be removed. Members with slow connection can disable other members' signatures when reading posts by going to: My Control - Options - Board Settings.

Edited by Kelsenellenelvian
Link to comment
Share on other sites

supposed, clean XP SP2 .iso downloaded from internet to

We cannot help you any further...

Please read our forum rules.

We have a very strcit no-warez policy.

See here:

No Illegal/Copyrighted Software Discussion

1.a This is not a warez site! Links/Requests to warez and/or illegal material (e.g., cracks, serials, etc.) will not be tolerated. Discussion of circumventing WGA/activation/timebombs/license restrictions, use of keygens, or any other illegal activity, including, but not limited to, requests for help where pirated software is being used or being discussed, will also not be tolerated. Offenders may be banned on first violation.

Also here: (FYI)

5. Images in signatures shall not exceed a total of 380x100 pixels and 100kB. Flash and animated signatures, avatars, and photos are not permitted. You can enter a maximum of four (4) lines of text in your signature for a text-only signature, or one (1) line of text above or below a signature that contains an image. Advertising and/or affiliates are not allowed in signatures nor avatars. Avatars are to be a maximum of 100x100 pixels. If your avatar or signature goes above these guidelines they will be taken off without notice. Any avatars or signatures found to be attached to a thread on MSFN being used as a host will be removed. Members with slow connection can disable other members' signatures when reading posts by going to: My Control - Options - Board Settings.

Well, I had a XP disc but it turned to trash a couple years ago so had to download a replacement. Not my fault discs don't last forever. And won't even get into the need to download one for my laptop due to the fact that HP elects to tie in XP install with all their other bloat crap as well.

As for the Avatar and Sig, that's my bad. I would upload smaller Avatar and redo my Sig, but guess no point now huh! LOL

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well, was going to fix my Avatar, but it actually doesn't break rules from what I can see. I did go ahead and upload a new image anyway, rescaled to max size allowed, even though images are resized automatically if needed. Also redid my Sig to be not over the 4 lines as required.

Don't really know why I did, but there ya go!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

EDITED FOR GRAMMATICAL ERRORS AND IMAGE EXCHANGE by poster.

Well, see topic isn't locked, as of yet anyway, so I'm going to update my progress and see if anyone can/will help with a few glitches. Will start new topics if prefer and allow me to.

Went ahead and made a disc with nLite that turned out OK except for a couple things. I decided since I don't have a clue how to do what I really wanted to do, I just modified it as follows:

1) I slipstreamed SP3

2) I added 'OnePiece_Windows_XP_Post-SP3_UpdatePack_v4.4.0_ENU' & 'onepiece_repair_ie8_cosmetic_problems_addon'.

3) Added my drivers.

4) Removed items such as: MSN, Messenger, Security Center, Outlook Express, Internet Games, Movie Maker, etc...

5) A few tweaks

Result was functional but not as planned and with errors on creation that not sure if affected usability as follows:

1) Had 3 errors during integration of the Onepiece Update Pack. Same error and said it was related to not being able to unpack cabinets or something. See attached pic.

2) SATA Drivers didn't work (Windows didn't recognize my drive on install attempt without using floppy). Tried redoing disc twice, once with/once without that last option in same step as where you select to patch theme disabled. All other drivers installed correctly. Would like to know if can manually add SATA drivers to resulting iso, and if so, best way?

3) Was going to remake again to add drivers for my laptop as well, but .iso is already 677MB, so afraid I'll get to close to maxing out the CD if add much more. Seems like I've read it's not a good idea to use a DVD for XP install disc, correct?

4) Noticed install hung up a looooong time at 23 minutes, but finally finished, so guess not an issue.

Anyway, if anyone is willing/able to help, I'd greatly appreciate it. 'Last Session' log attached if needed.

THANKS!!!!

Last Session.ini

post-317971-0-17657100-1298879078_thumb.

Edited by TBurrfootsIre
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...