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Why do you still use 9X

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I don't see why JustinStacey.x needs to defend himself because the programs he use will not adapt to Windows 98.

We all use our computers differently. We should not pass judgement just because someone did not have stellar results using an older operating system with his programs.

It was a joke ;), a (friendly) retaliation for this:

http://www.msfn.org/board/needing-help-xp-...303-page-5.html

Everyone should be free to use whatever OS and programs he likes, no matter what other people think it is "better" or "faster" or "safer" or "whatever". :)

jaclaz

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I don't see why JustinStacey.x needs to defend himself because the programs he use will not adapt to Windows 98.

We all use our computers differently. We should not pass judgement just because someone did not have stellar results using an older operating system with his programs.

It was a joke ;), a (friendly) retaliation for this:

http://www.msfn.org/board/needing-help-xp-...303-page-5.html

Everyone should be free to use whatever OS and programs he likes, no matter what other people think it is "better" or "faster" or "safer" or "whatever". :)

jaclaz

I see. :sneaky:

Thanks for bringing it my attention. :lol:

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Call it as ambiguous as you like.

I ain't spending more than 5 minutes faffing around trying to get a flash drive to work in Windows 98 when it will be ready in ten seconds on an XP or 2000 box.

P.R.O.D.U.C.T.I.V.I.T.Y. - Learn about it.

I don't see why JustinStacey.x needs to defend himself because the programs he use will not adapt to Windows 98.

We all use our computers differently. We should not pass judgement just because someone did not have stellar results using an older operating system with his programs.

Don't worry, I'm getting it from both sides, a bunch of Windows 7 zealots are having at me now because I don't automatically fit into the masses who think it's the best thing since sliced bread. Just wait till end users get it and find that they now have to download their favourite mail program ;) My support calls will be through the roof!

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Don't worry, I'm getting it from both sides, a bunch of Windows 7 zealots are having at me now because I don't automatically fit into the masses who think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

I thought the "zealots" were saying 7 is the best thing since the invention of icecream. :unsure:

Which of course creates the foundations for a good ol' sliced bread vs. icecream discussion. :w00t:

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I'll admit that my built in USB stinks. It's slow and not always stable. The unofficial updates here fixed the stability issues but it's still very slow. After I installed a USB 2.0 card and a more recent version of the Orangeware drivers, (version 2.3 seems to work the best on 9X) every piece of USB hardware I've plugged into it works fine. A while ago, a friend needed a card reader for her XP Pro. The store sold her the wrong one. I bought her one of those universal readers with half a dozen slots, brought it home along with her card and tried it on 98FE. 98 recognized it instantly and I was able to copy out all the pictures she'd taken. On her XP, it works erratically and is a fight to access the file system more than a couple of times. "Unrecognized device" errors. For me, it's been the opposite of what you describe. If I want it done now, I use 98 for the job.

So far, these hardware items installed and work properly on 98FE.

Stratitec USB 2.0 Card

10/100 network card

CDRW

WD external hard drive

US Robotics datafax modem

Creative webcam

Universal card reader, don't remember the brand/model

Every one of these is from a different vendor. All supposedly require 98SE or winME or newer. The external hard drive was a project to install, mainly because the drivers were packed into the installer which also wanted to install some backup software I didn't want. Once I got them separated, it worked great. Except for an initial hesitation when accessed the first time, it's just as fast as the internal drives. Software installed in an encrypted partition on the external drive runs just as well as it does when installed on an internal drive.

I've pretty much concluded that the native USB support in 98 isn't that good, even with the unofficial updates, not on my old hardware. That said, with a new USB card installed, 98 works fine with USB accessories.

Don't worry, I'm getting it from both sides, a bunch of Windows 7 zealots are having at me now because I don't automatically fit into the masses who think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Ah... the "get with the times" cronies. Part of me is enjoying the fact that those who used to spit out that noise now have to take it, and we 9X users are still here. We're "getting with the times" and we're bringing our OS with us.

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Which of course creates the foundations for a good ol' sliced bread vs. icecream discussion. :w00t:

An ice cream sandwich!

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Which of course creates the foundations for a good ol' sliced bread vs. icecream discussion. :w00t:

An ice cream sandwich!

Yes, a thiiin slice of bread between two conspicuous slabs of icecream.... :)

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A thin slice of toast, lavishly covered by apricot jam, topped with a generous slab of dark chocolate ice-cream :w00t:

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I'll admit that my built in USB stinks. It's slow and not always stable. The unofficial updates here fixed the stability issues but it's still very slow. After I installed a USB 2.0 card and a more recent version of the Orangeware drivers, (version 2.3 seems to work the best on 9X) every piece of USB hardware I've plugged into it works fine. A while ago, a friend needed a card reader for her XP Pro. The store sold her the wrong one. I bought her one of those universal readers with half a dozen slots, brought it home along with her card and tried it on 98FE. 98 recognized it instantly and I was able to copy out all the pictures she'd taken. On her XP, it works erratically and is a fight to access the file system more than a couple of times. "Unrecognized device" errors. For me, it's been the opposite of what you describe. If I want it done now, I use 98 for the job.

I have used generic USB drivers with 98FE, but I found a very serious problem.

When I transfer large amounts of data from my Hard Drive to a Flash Drive, something gets damaged in the system, causing garbage to be written to the Hard Drive and sometimes the Flash Drive. Usually a Read/Write Error Blue Screen appears, but not until a Directory Sector and Both Copies of one FAT Sector have been destroyed. This has led to some rather tedious recovery efforts.

I have observed this problem on two entirely different Computers, using at least 5 different USB Drivers.

Mixing 98FE and 98SE files didn't help or didn't work.

It may be safe to READ from a Flash Drive but I would not guarantee it.

I would not recommend using USB with 98FE.

topped with a generous slab of dark chocolate ice-cream

Can't stand the stuff.

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When I plug an USB flash drive into my Windows 95 box, it only takes two seconds for it to be recognised and usable. On my Windows XP laptop, it takes at least 10 seconds.

Heh, Windows 7. I've heard similar stories from early adopters before Vista was released. Just wait until Windows 7's retail version hits their hard drives.

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topped with a generous slab of dark chocolate ice-cream

Can't stand the stuff.

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You mean:

1)dark chocolate ice-cream

2)dark chocolate

3)chocolate in general

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When I transfer large amounts of data from my Hard Drive to a Flash Drive, something gets damaged in the system, causing garbage to be written to the Hard Drive and sometimes the Flash Drive. Usually a Read/Write Error Blue Screen appears, but not until a Directory Sector and Both Copies of one FAT Sector have been destroyed... It may be safe to READ from a Flash Drive but I would not guarantee it. I would not recommend using USB with 98FE.
Maybe it's Windows Explorer under Win9x, not USB, that is causing the problems. The problem of the sluggish file deletes with Win98 Explorer shows that it is seriously flawed.

For moving files, I try not to use Windows Explorer under Win98; I am using Beyond Compare instead, or I boot into WinXP to do the file moves there with WinXP Explorer, but this has lead in a few rare instances to filename problems between Win98 and WinXP, for files containing some foreign characters (e.g. mp3s downloaded with eMule). Also, Win9x Explorer sometimes cannot delete some illegal files, I have to go into WinXP to delete them.

I have also experienced under Win98SE blue screens and data loss, but only with my older Inspiron laptops, not with my dual-core desktops, when I had 2 external 1TB HDDs connected to the laptop and tried to move data between the two USB HDDs, even with Beyond Compare. Moving data between a USB HDD and the internal HDD is fine under Win98SE, only moving data between 2 USB drives may lead to data loss, if I transfer more than maybe 100 or 500MB. There is no data loss/blue screen under Win98SE if I transfer just small amounts of data. When I compare/update/synchronize 2 USB HDDs used for backup, I do it under WinXP, under Win98 is too risky.

Maybe 6 months ago I had a major disaster with file moves under Win98, when both the source and the destination got damaged, with a blue screen. Because files on the source drive got damaged, I didn't know anymore how reliable the source was. I was lucky that I had a quite current, clean 3rd backup. I copied a couple of files from the damaged source, then deleted and recreated the damaged 192GB partiton on the source and destination HDDs. I had some data loss plus time wasted restoring about 2x150GB of data on the source and destination USB HDDs.

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I have used generic USB drivers with 98FE, but I found a very serious problem.

When I transfer large amounts of data from my Hard Drive to a Flash Drive, something gets damaged in the system, causing garbage to be written to the Hard Drive and sometimes the Flash Drive. Usually a Read/Write Error Blue Screen appears, but not until a Directory Sector and Both Copies of one FAT Sector have been destroyed. This has led to some rather tedious recovery efforts.

I have observed this problem on two entirely different Computers, using at least 5 different USB Drivers.

Mixing 98FE and 98SE files didn't help or didn't work.

It may be safe to READ from a Flash Drive but I would not guarantee it.

I would not recommend using USB with 98FE.

I won't recommend using the built in USB on 98FE for handling data either, at least not with hardware as old as I'm using. I did have problems when I hooked the external drive to the built in USB ports. They're slow and tend to be erratic. About all I use them for is a mouse or keyboard. The ports on the USB card are a whole different story. I've had the external drive hooked to that card for several years and have yet to lose any data. I'm not sure what you call large amounts of data as it relates to this discussion, but I've had no problems writing or accessing 7z archives of 500-1500MB with FE on the external drive. All of my Win2K backups were made with 98FE and 7Zip. I installed Shareaza on the external drive and it runs fine from there on 98FE. I only have access to a limited amount of USB hardware, but all of it has worked well when connected to the USB card.

I'm going to try to borrow that card reader again and test it further on FE, along with a wireless mouse that's not getting used ATM.

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The plain reason I don't use Windows 98 anymore is that compared to XP it's uptime is terrible, it's a pain in the arse to run on newer hardware and new devices either don't work with it or require too much faffing around.

Can I ask what brings you to this win-9x forum then? You don't use 98, you don't like it, and I don't think I've seen you post anything constructive or helpful here about win-98.

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