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Are there any specific patches or service paks that address startup /hanging issues with 98se.??

I have an early Pent 4 running 98se. I have intermittent problem with the computer hanging half way to start.

Lately it's become more pronounced. I then reboot in safe mode,then do a complete scandisk and defrag.

The problem seems to go away (for awhile or...day/month/week).

I always defrag usually daily before shut down and scandisk at least once a week.

I run various anti-virus and anti-spyware programs as well.

I am behind a password protected router.

Any suggestions or comments would be welcome.

TIA

Mikey da N00b

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Are there any specific patches or service paks that address startup /hanging issues with 98se.??

I have an early Pent 4 running 98se. I have intermittent problem with the computer hanging half way to start.

Lately it's become more pronounced. I then reboot in safe mode,then do a complete scandisk and defrag.

The problem seems to go away (for awhile or...day/month/week).

I always defrag usually daily before shut down and scandisk at least once a week.

I run various anti-virus and anti-spyware programs as well.

I am behind a password protected router.

To be able to help you we'd need more information about your computer and the error, like:

1. When exactly does it hang: Before the video drivers kick in? After entering windows but before loading Explorer?

2. Any error messages?

3. Before changing msconfig startup from selective to normal what is being prevented from starting?

4. Computer specs.

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Are there any specific patches or service paks that address startup /hanging issues with 98se.??

I have an early Pent 4 running 98se. I have intermittent problem with the computer hanging half way to start.

Lately it's become more pronounced. I then reboot in safe mode,then do a complete scandisk and defrag.

The problem seems to go away (for awhile or...day/month/week).

I always defrag usually daily before shut down and scandisk at least once a week.

I run various anti-virus and anti-spyware programs as well.

I am behind a password protected router.

To be able to help you we'd need more information about your computer and the error, like:

1. When exactly does it hang: Before the video drivers kick in? After entering windows but before loading Explorer?

2. Any error messages?

3. Before changing msconfig startup from selective to normal what is being prevented from starting?

4. Computer specs.

ok, thanks for responding.

#1)The computer tends to hang/freeze when the M$flag screen appears. When I do a cold reboot, I get ...

#2)the 'safe mode' screen telling me that windows couldn't load on the previous attempt ...(choose #3) which i do ...and it boots in safe mode.

your #3) not sure, but it reverts back to selective startup in the safe mode. I then change it back to normal, and reboot

sometimes it works fine , or other times it doesn't. Sometimes after reverting back to normal startup I also defrag and do a thorough scandisk. Then it almost always 'solves' the problem.

Like I said (above) it's intermittent

#4) Pent 4 Celeron 788 (I think) Compaq machine 2004. 98se 410.2222a

hmmm I may have just found the prob... it's reporting 256 ram and I have 383, maybe the memory stick is going bad.

I'm going to check it now..

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Have you try reformatting your computer? Also back up your data if you choose to reformat. Yes, I take my own advices. I have reformat my computer every few months.

ok. Checked and reseated memory. 256 and 128 sticks. when I reboot in safe mode, it reports 383 (correctly)

When I get it to boot normally it recognizes only 256.

I'm going to take out the 128 and replace it with a 64 that I know is good. See if this solves the memory problem.

If not, then your suggestion of reformatting might be the way to go. Thanks for your help.

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Have you try reformatting your computer? Also back up your data if you choose to reformat. Yes, I take my own advices. I have reformat my computer every few months.

ok. Checked and reseated memory. 256 and 128 sticks. when I reboot in safe mode, it reports 383 (correctly)

When I get it to boot normally it recognizes only 256.

I'm going to take out the 128 and replace it with a 64 that I know is good. See if this solves the memory problem.

If not, then your suggestion of reformatting might be the way to go. Thanks for your help.

swapped the 128 memory. now reads 319 in both modes. But doesn't seem to affect my problem either way.

To get the computer to boot normally, I use selective startup and only check 4 items. I uncheck the rest.

this is what is checked:

LOAD POWER PROFILE

SYSTEM TRAY

SCAN REGISTRY

PTSNOOP

unchecked

TWEAKUI

LWBMOUSE

KB891711

WINZIP QUICKPICK

HP DIGITAL IMAGING MONITOR

Again, I would welcome any comments or advice. Mikey

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Instead of all that messing with the ram just dl this and run it for about an hour ----> http://hcidesign.com/memtest/ it will tell you if your ram is bad or not.

Now you tell me (laughs) Great tool! Thanks. I ran it up to 5000. Memory checks out.

I think the problem is in the configsys . I'm going to try looking at the bootlog , like the other gentleman suggested.

Anything else I should/could check?

Thanks, guys

Mikey

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Failure code 016 ??

***

Init =

LoadStart = DISPLAY.drv

LoadSuccess = DISPLAY.drv

InitDone = DISPLAY

Init = Display Resources

InitDone = Display Resources

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\MARLETT.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\MARLETT.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\SSERIFE.FON

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\SSERIFE.FON

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\NWGTHC.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\NWGTHC.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\NWGTHCB.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\NWGTHCB.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\NWGTHCI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\NWGTHCI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\LHANDW.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\LHANDW.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\LSANSI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\LSANSI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\LSANSUNI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\LSANSUNI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\BKANT.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\BKANT.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ANTQUAB.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ANTQUAB.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ANTQUABI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ANTQUABI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ANTQUAI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ANTQUAI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHIC.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHIC.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHICB.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHICB.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHICBI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHICBI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHICI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\GOTHICI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\OCRAEXT.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\OCRAEXT.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\CALIST.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\CALIST.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ABALC.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ABALC.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COPRGTB.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COPRGTB.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COPRGTL.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COPRGTL.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\MATISSE_.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\MATISSE_.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\TEMPSITC.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\TEMPSITC.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\WESTM.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\WESTM.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\LUCON.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\LUCON.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\TAHOMA.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\TAHOMA.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\TAHOMABD.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\TAHOMABD.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ARIAL.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ARIAL.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ARIALBD.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ARIALBD.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ARIALBI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ARIALBI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ARIALI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ARIALI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COUR.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COUR.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COURBD.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COURBD.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COURBI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COURBI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COURI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COURI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\TIMES.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\TIMES.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\TIMESBD.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\TIMESBD.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\TIMESBI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\TIMESBI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\TIMESI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\TIMESI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\WINGDING.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\WINGDING.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\SYMBOL.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\SYMBOL.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\ARIBLK.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\ARIBLK.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COMIC.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COMIC.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\COMICBD.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\COMICBD.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\IMPACT.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\IMPACT.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANA.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANA.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANAB.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANAB.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANAI.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANAI.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANAZ.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\VERDANAZ.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\WEBDINGS.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\WEBDINGS.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Georgia.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Georgia.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Georgiab.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Georgiab.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Georgiai.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Georgiai.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Georgiaz.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Georgiaz.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Trebuc.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Trebuc.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Trebucbd.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Trebucbd.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Trebucbi.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Trebucbi.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Trebucit.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Trebucit.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\Andalemo.TTF

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\Andalemo.TTF Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\artrbdo.ttf

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\artrbdo.ttf Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\artro.ttf

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\artro.ttf Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\tradbdo.ttf

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\tradbdo.ttf Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\trado.ttf

LoadFail = c:\windows\fonts\trado.ttf Failure code is 0016

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\wst_czec.fon

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\wst_czec.fon

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\wst_engl.fon

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\wst_engl.fon

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\wst_fren.fon

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\wst_fren.fon

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\wst_germ.fon

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\wst_germ.fon

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\wst_ital.fon

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\wst_ital.fon

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\wst_span.fon

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\wst_span.fon

LoadStart = c:\windows\fonts\wst_swed.fon

LoadSuccess = c:\windows\fonts\wst_swed.fon

LoadSuccess = USER.EXE

LoadStart = MSGSRV32.EXE

LoadSuccess = MSGSRV32.EXE

Init = Final USER

InitDone = Final USER

Init = Installable Drivers

InitDone = Installable Drivers

Init = TSRQuery

InitDone = TSRQuery

[0017A8EF] Starting Unknown (HTREE\RESERVED\0)

[0017A8EF] Started Unknown (HTREE\RESERVED\0)

[0017A8F0] Enumerating Unknown (HTREE\RESERVED\0)

[0017A8F0] Enumerated Unknown (HTREE\RESERVED\0)

Terminate = User

Terminate = Query Drivers

EndTerminate = Query Drivers

Terminate = Unload Network

EndTerminate = Unload Network

Terminate = Reset Display

EndTerminate = Reset Display

EndTerminate = User

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One of my systems sometimes hangs on startup and all i need to do is to enable boot logging as Tihiy suggested, then it starts fine. Maybe some weird driver misbehaves when the system starts too fast. Logging slows down the boot process a lot, so drivers have some more time to settle.

HTH

P.S. You could ignore the "Failure code is 0016" lines, it's normal.

Did Windows started on this attempt ?

Edited by RainyShadow
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One of my systems sometimes hangs on startup and all i need to do is to enable boot logging as Tihiy suggested, then it starts fine. Maybe some weird driver misbehaves when the system starts too fast. Logging slows down the boot process a lot, so drivers have some more time to settle.

HTH

P.S. You could ignore the "Failure code is 0016" lines, it's normal.

Did Windows started on this attempt ?

Thanks for such quick responses

This forum is great!

I'm going to try enabling bootlogging, but I think that is solving the symptom as opposed to solving the problem.

Oh well. if it works...

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getting back on line was tough. ok It's NOT physical memory related.

In looking around in the system.ini ...I found a 'pencil' next to MAX PHYS PAGE=3E6FF

does that mean anything?

sorry to be a n00b and kinda stupid....any help would be appreciated - Mikey

edit: checking bootlog failures:

C:\ESSAUDIO.SYS

LoadFailed=ndis2sup.vxd

initcompleteFailed=sdvxd

???

Edited by MikeyHunt
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In looking around in the system.ini ...I found a 'pencil' next to MAX PHYS PAGE=3E6FF

does that mean anything?

If you explain what's that 'pencil' thing would be nice. or better copy/post the actual line from system.ini

edit: checking bootlog failures:

C:\ESSAUDIO.SYS

LoadFailed=ndis2sup.vxd

initcompleteFailed=sdvxd

???

I'm not experienced with ESS cards/drivers, but you could try commenting the ESSAUDIO.sys line in config sys. If sound works using the windows drivers, you don't need it to be loaded from dos (unless you play games in pure dos, but then a separate configuration would work better)

NDIS2SUP is responsible for your network, SDVXD is part of the Smartdrive cache.

I've seen comments on the net, that both these errors are normal, but you could at least try a different NIC driver version if you still have problems.

So, does your system start fine when boot-logging is enabled?

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