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  1. - Vista Pricing Revealed

    by Paul Thurrott, thurrott@windowsitpro.com

    Vista Pricing Revealed

    Online retailer Amazon.com has begun taking preorders for various

    Windows Vista versions, which will be available January 30, 2007,

    according to Amazon.com. Not surprisingly, the prices that Amazon.com

    lists for Vista are quite similar to the roughly equivalent Windows XP

    versions.

    According to Amazon.com, the prices for Vista are as follows:

    Vista Home Basic: $199.00

    Vista Home Basic Upgrade: $99.95

    Vista Home Basic Upgrade (Additional License Only): $89.95

    Vista Home Premium: $239.00

    Vista Home Premium Upgrade: $159.00 :( [How much is that in Australian dollars ..]

    Vista Home Premium Upgrade (Additional License Only): $143.00

    Vista Business: $299.00

    Vista Business Upgrade: $199.00

    Vista Business Upgrade (Additional License Only): $179.00

    Vista Ultimate: $399.00

    Vista Ultimate Upgrade: $259.00

    Vista Ultimate Upgrade (Additional License Only): $233.00

    Although not every Vista version correlates exactly with an XP

    version, the pricing is in line with XP pricing. For example, XP Home

    costs $189.00, compared with $199.99 for Vista Home Basic, and the XP

    Home Upgrade costs $89.97, only two cents more than the Vista Home

    Basic Upgrade. Upsells won't be particularly expensive either: Prices

    for the much more capable Vista Home Premium are just $40 to $60

    higher than those of Vista Home Basic.

    Amazon.com doesn't yet show the box art that Microsoft will use for

    its Vista retail versions. Earlier this week, Microsoft Canada also

    slipped with a bit of Vista pricing information: The company's Web

    site briefly reported that Vista Ultimate would cost $450 in Canadian

    dollars.

  2. Xara Xtreme is simply the best graphics software for all your drawing and day to day photo needs, ideal for both print and the web.

    If you're looking for drawing software then Xtreme is a perfect solution for everything from simple logos to astonishingly detailed illustrations.

    If you're working with photos then Xtreme will match your ambitions from simple one click auto-enhance of your photo through to awesome photo compositions.

    If you are looking for software for creating web graphics then Xtreme can help you produce all the graphics you'll need for your site, from smart and sharp navigation buttons to eye catching animated GIFs.

    Whatever graphics you need and whatever your skill level, the famously friendly user interface and fast processing of Xara Xtreme will make it an absolute pleasure to be creative. And at a price that won't break the bank!

    http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/

    It's a UK company, but they are quoting US $79.oo.

    US $79 = 42.91 Britian pound

    Pretty close to your budget. You have to try this program to believe it. Recommended . :thumbup

  3. I use AVG Free, it also checks my email in/out, and now they must have decided to let it update at a set time. If I remember, in the past, only the paid version allowed this.

    Also, the only adware/spyware program I use, besides Windows Defender is Ewido. And now GRISOFT has purchased Ewido anti-spyware and issued a NEW VERSION 4 with a completely changed GUI. It's great. Full product turns into a free scanner after a trial run. You can use it for free then, but you may have to get updates yourself.

    I liked it from a long time ago, as it was the only program to dig stuff out of System Restore.

    If you like to pay for the full programs, you can now get 1. antivirus 2. anti-spyware and 3. a firewall all at the same place. GRISOFT has got the trifecta.

  4. If you want to see a great web page design check out the Microsoft VISTA page! :w00t: Yes, you heard right, $MS$, long live Linux, spit on you, may your camel get fleas Microsoft.

    No matter what you think of them, this is web page designing at it's best, It's simple, yet complex, informing and stunning, color co-ordinated and to the point. A pleasure to stumble upon.

    What do you think they made it with? Dreamweaver, NO, may your camels hump die of drought .. coffee and donuts? depends how fat they are. Expression Web Designer? They probably better had seeing they are trying to foist that upon us.

    Take a look at the code ..

    Go ahead now, shoot me down ... :P

  5. I will get Vista as I am older and do not have as much time as you! Was expecting to have to:

    1. Buy Vista
    2. Buy Graphics card - with Pixel Shader 2
    3. Buy additional 1 Gig Ram (Have 1 Gig so this may not be needed)

    The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor also says my BigPond Wireless Modem is not supported at present..

    vista_update_advisor.jpg

    ***WARNING - Image is 99 Kb in size***

  6. 3 good arguments that Jesus was a ....

    *

    **

    *There were 3 good arguments that Jesus was

    Black:

    1. He called everyone brother.

    2. He liked Gospel.

    3. He couldn't get a fair trial.

    *

    **

    * But then there were 3 equally good arguments

    that Jesus was Jewish:

    1. He went into His Father's business.

    2. He lived at home until he was 33.

    3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his

    Mother was sure He was God.

    *

    **

    *But then there were 3 equally good arguments

    that Jesus was Italian:

    1. He talked with His hands.

    2. He had wine with His meals.

    3. He used olive oil.

    *

    **

    *But then there were 3 equally good arguments

    that Jesus was a Californian:

    1. He never cut His hair.

    2. He walked around barefoot all the time.

    3. He started a new religion.

    *

    **

    *But then there were 3 equally good arguments

    that Jesus was an American Indian.

    1. He was at peace with nature.

    2. He ate a lot of fish.

    3. He talked about the Great Spirit.

    *

    **

    *But then there were 3 equally good arguments

    that Jesus was Irish:

    1. He never got married.

    2. He was always telling stories.

    3. He loved green pastures.

    *

    **

    *********

    But the most compelling evidence of all - 3

    proofs that Jesus was a * woman:

    1. He fed a crowd at a moment's notice when

    there was no food.

    2. He kept trying to get a message across to a

    bunch of men who just didn't get it.

    3. And even when He was dead, He had to get up

    because there was work to do.

    AMEN!!* :angel

  7. I have an Acer Extensa Notebook. Just wanted a Notebook for a change with it's low power requirements and quiet operation and limited wires. However I knew I would be in BIG TROUBLE if it ever stopped working.

    It stopped working after a year and two months. It's laying on it's back on my other desk.

    Anyway it was pre-activated I think, as when I purchased it all I had to do was type in my user name in front of the salesperson.

    Problem is, if you wish to install Windows (and the additional software comes too..) again, you have to install and wipe your previous installations. Including any Windows updates, etc.

    The only way to get the WindowsXP disk (that you have to activate) is to buy from an independent OEM. And not too many of those make Notebooks/Laptops.

  8. I used to use an intake pipe on mine too, although it was a little more ghetto (old peanut can :w00t: ). A while ago I got fed up with the noise and ripped everything out, mounted it on a board and stuck it up on a beam in the basement. I converted my DVDRW to a USB unit and routed all my cables through the floor. Now it's in the cool basement and I hear nothing but silence. :thumbup

    I like that.. It's seriously more weird than I am.. :blink:

    No, I like taxying down the runway in my 747. Maybe I can watch the inflight movie. If I could hear it. I always wanted to watch movies on a little screen and in an uncomfortable office chair. Must get VISTA with the built in Media Center. :no:

    ------

    Maybe I should get one of these?

    The blueprint showed a central PowerPC that was complemented by 1024 (that is one thousand and twenty four) 8-bit "processing elements" on a single and - according to IBM - low-cost die.

    Rapport is already offering the Kilocore256, which comes with 256 processing elements and provides a performance of "25 GB operations/second at well under a single watt of power," IBM said. The firm claims that the Kilocores "feature the most advanced, dynamic architecture available today in working silicon"

    http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/04/04/ibm_rapport_kilocore/

    ----

    puntoMX

    it´s an intake aimed at the cpu fan, it´s not an exhaust pipe

    You're right, if the fan is blowing on the CPU, then it's a sucker, and not a blower. :whistle:

  9. If you visit CrazyTalk and download the Internet Explorer plugin ( any

    version from 6 up ..) you can see young William H. Gates III comes to life and talk to the coppers...

    There is a Firefox plugin as well, but I can't get it to work on my version 1.0.5.1.

    bill_talks.gif

    Here is the link to DOWNLOAD

    268K (I made this in about 10 mins with the try out - Crazytalk is easy to use, if a little buggy)

    Run your anti-virus scanner though the zip, then unzip the 3 files, one a html, and click on this. Or 'open with IE' - if

    Firefox is your default browser. (As Firefox does not appear to work - remember that!!)

  10. Well, I've never seen anything like that. What are the specs?

    You got three H/D's. Slaves or RAID backup?

    What is an OTES RAMflow? Some double fan cooler for the CPU. Why is it called RAMflow?

    Did you get the plastic exhaust pipe you see on my case? Does everyone?

    I had such a heck of a job to get the OEM to leave out the floppy, (at my expense) broke his heart. Could not bring myself to say ditch the 56K modem as well.

    The case is designed with the floppy slot, but I just consider it an extra cooling slot!

    Will we ever be able to move into the future now .. and let go of the past 56K and 3 1/2" 1.44Mb? Not really, everyone will come back and swear they use these things every day and cannot live without them. Bit like Microsoft will not let go of paint - when they could have gotten us an OLD PhotoImpact, say 5 or 6 plus a vector with Xara Xtreme.

    Such is life..

  11. post-57434-1143584147_thumb.jpg

    P4 3G

    1G Ram

    ECS 661FX-M7 all-in-one Board

    Max 64 graphics SIS

    Realtek Ac'97 audio

    DVD-RW Lite-on 16X

    200G H/D

    4 USB 2 at back - 2 front

    10/100Lan

    NO floppy disk - by request

    Modem should come out..

    Bigpond Wireless Broadband EXT. Modem

    STD MS Black K/B and OPT mouse

    Case MEC Mod. EX-919-13A25-BS

    Acecat Flair Tablet & pen

    Polyview 19" TFT-LCD V396 Monitor

    & one white dog

    ---------------------------------------------

    Need for Vista..

    *VISTA

    *Video card with Vista drivers

    *Extra 1G Ram

    post-57434-1143584190_thumb.jpg

  12. Well, it's the razzmatazz plus security that we home users want. Except Media Center. :hello:

    But you can stick your little games, except CHESS looks like it might be OK. But who has time. And to Microsoft directly, or in particular the psychiatrists who treat the designers of the Windows GUI, women don't like crawly things - get that game out-of-there.

    I don't like them either, even though I am only woman in phoney photo, to exemplify all is not as it seems on the Net. post-57434-1143581864_thumb.gif

  13. Going back to the past, I used to use a FREE version of Norton. It wasn't well known but they had a free version for download. Then I used InoculateIt which was a free version of some Aust . product I think. They scraped the free version, so I switched to AVG.

    I am happy with AVG + email scanner in/out and now auto updates in the FREE version. But I am hearing good things about NOD32 and somewhere that MS use it on their campus.

    I do not believe that you should have to pay to protect the operating system; that's a defect; no matter that some third party is attacking your business - you should protect your users free.

    So, Microsoft, buy NOD32 and give it to me free with Vista. And pigs might fly again! ;)

  14. Press any key,

    What´s the deal here? Yes it´s a computer, yes you can write your own OS for it, yes it´s better then your computer at home b/c it has better specs, and NO, even the XBox360 doesn´t have HD-TV support (100%) but I´m sure you can do more with a normal computer a.k. 2006.

    So, start to rebuild the XBox to the computer you like and tell us about it please ;).

    I just did. Above..

    Xbox 360 High Definition FAQ

    , Wednesday 26 October 2005 16:52:29

    I posted this on Team Xbox because of the rampant confusion regarding the high definition capabilities of the Xbox 360. Figured it could get some play here as well.

    ## Q. Is it true that I _have_ to use a high definition television with the Xbox 360? ##

    A. __This is false__. The Xbox 360 supports many different connections to many types of televisions, from composite connections for standard televisions to component and VGA connections for high definition televisions and computer monitors.

    ## Q. Do all games for the Xbox 360 support high definition? ##

    A. __Yes, all games that are genuine Xbox 360 titles must support at least 720p__. Following the October 25th relaunch of Xbox.com there were several games including _Oblivion_ and _NBA2K6_ that had pages stating that they supported 480i. This is a bit of misinformation or oversight that will be corrected soon. Every indication from Microsoft is that _every_ game that is _ever_ released for the platform _must_ support at least 720p.

    *Read the full details by clicking this link.

    http://www.coldforged.org/archives/2005/10...-definition-faq

    ---------------------------

    Many gamers, not unlike yourself, are ready for the Xbox 360 but do not have a HDTV nor do they knew what to look for to maximize their investment. There are so many options out there that choosing the right set for your lifestyle can be overwhelming. So HD Beat presents the HDTV Buying Guide: Xbox 360 edition.

    Things to consider

    The 360 itself needs to be considered when looking for a HDTV. Your gaming habits as well can steer you towards a certain type of TV. Mostly what it boils down to is your cash. But that’s OK; we'll show you what types of TVs you can get while staying in your budget that will maximize that brand new Xbox.

    Many gamers, not unlike yourself, are ready for the Xbox 360 but do not have a HDTV nor do they knew what to look for to maximize their investment. There are so many options out there that choosing the right set for your lifestyle can be overwhelming. So HD Beat presents the HDTV Buying Guide: Xbox 360 edition.

    Things to consider

    The 360 itself needs to be considered when looking for a HDTV. Your gaming habits as well can steer you towards a certain type of TV. Mostly what it boils down to is your cash. But that’s OK; we'll show you what types of TVs you can get while staying in your budget that will maximize that brand new Xbox.

    http://www.hdbeat.com/2005/11/12/hdtv-buyi...ox-360-edition/

  15. Everyone here is going to buy it? Speak for yourself please.

    I'm not in any rush to upgrade to Vista, even though my machine is still top of the line.

    You have a top of the line machine to run it with new graphics drivers. You are overkill on XP, your machine is licking it's lips for VISTA :P

    I share Tarun's opinion. My machines are up to the job (except one old box I run Linux), still, I will not be upgrading to Vista as soon as it comes out.

    I will definatly try it, however, it will be on a test machine. My main computers will all run XP (until 2008 at least).

    If you are definitely going to try it, won't you have to BUY it? :o

    Why can't M$ stick with plain flat rectangular windows that don't require much processing power to use?

    If you turn off the AERO GUI then I believe that's what you're left with.

    It may even be that the AERO GUI can be left out of the build, like a component in WinXP today, and not even be present on the HD, by the time Vista goes gold.

    Andy

    If you buy Windows VISTA HOME BASIC it does not come with AERO. :w00t:

  16. ".... The CPU isn´t that good and as far as I know it´s a RISC based CPU made for only calculations and not a instructions processor like we have in our computers (although the are mixed now, some RISC processor parts are now included). ..."

    In the beginning, RISC design was actually not meant for high performance. Engineers figured that a CPU with fewer and simpler instructions design could be fabricated at a lower cost than one with a more complicated instruction set. A simpler design also means that clock frequencies could be raised above those of CISC chips, since clock propagation delays would be reduced and more manageable. This raised clock frequency would then compensate for one of the main flaws of RISC design - their inferior instruction density compared to CISCs. However, in reality RISC chips aren't clocked as high as they should theoretically be, so their performance isn't as good as expected. The PowerPC cores are good, but running at the same speed as an equivalent late-model CISC x86 like AMD, the CISC will provide higher performance.

    What do you use your PC for? Not graphics and sound?

    Microsoft devised a cooling system that combines a small, vacuum-sealed, liquid-cooled system with fans to maintain a comfortable temperature inside the 360. The system regulates the temperature of the cores and adjusts the flow of liquid and fan speed accordingly.

    It's just a heatpipe and a regulated fan. Nothing special about that.

    Is that a hollow heatpipe vacuum-sealed, liquid-cooled? Or just a lump of copper?

    The Xbox 360 has an Ethernet port to hook up to a broadband connection, as well as a slot for a WiFi card. The 360 is WiFi-ready "out of the box" and the bundle includes an connectivity Ethernet cable.

    So does my computer.

    Then it's a computer.

    The Xbox 360 comes standard with both composite and component video connections to hook up to a TV. There are also optional connections for S-Video and VGA, and the console supports some SCART-type adapters used in Europe. The Xbox 360 Console System includes a standard-definition AV cable, while the Xbox 360 bundle comes with an AV HD cable and a media remote.

    So does my computer's video card.

    Your video card supports HIGH DEFINITION?

    The Xbox 360 has multi-channel surround sound that supports 256 channels of 48 KHz, 16-bit digital audio. The 32-bit audio processing is handled by the CPU. One of the most talked about new audio features of the Xbox 360 is customizable soundtracks. No matter what video game you are playing, you can play or stream your music during gameplay.

    No-one has 256 speakers :lol:

    Thats 256 channels of 48 KHz, 16-bit digital audio..

    In keeping with the idea that the Xbox 360 is a full media center, it sports a 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM that can read DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD and JPEG Photo CD. The 360 does not, however, support Blu-ray.

    My computer can do that too.

    Then it's a computer.

    All I see the Xbox 360 as is a special-purpose computer suited to gaming graphics. Everything else is quite ordinary.

    Graphics and sound are what I wish to do. At 19.2 Ghz - with the addition of 8 Mb of Ram and a 250 Mb Hard Disk. (1 Gb for each core and 2 Gb for the swap file. And I know 250 Mb is not available at 2.5" at present.)

    All I see the Xbox 360 as is a special-purpose computer suited to gaming graphics. Everything else is quite ordinary.

    LLXX, try to explain that to Press any key ;).

    Press any key, You are mixing up things, try to stay in this world altrough I know it´s hard. I wonder if I still keep up to date when I have your age ;). Keep it cool and don´t play to much with the crocs B), better to join us at a deathmatch of Half Life 2.

    I'd rather have the future world today. Wouldn't you? All that's needed is an OS to take advantage of the features.

  17. No, everyone here is going to buy it. Why? :huh: Because we are all interested in computers. There are the majority however, that are not all that interested. Maybe email and some Web browsing, and only ever using the programs that come with the computer.

    Those PC specs are the same as my PC, with the exception of the graphics. Mine is integrated 64 Meg max. But I was expecting not only to have to buy Vista but a new graphics card and additional 1 Gig of ram.

    Also, it looks like I will have to buy the Home Premium or something to get the AERO GUI. That gets me Media Center too, which I do not particularly want.

  18. ".....The Xbox 360 is just a gamecomputer dude, not a supercomputer...."
    Remember, it's a game machine because it's called a game machine, and you have been conditioned from birth to accept

    that. Just as you are conditioned to accept that a PC is a PC. What's in a name?

    I admit I smoke. I'm old and the terrible effects were not known when I was young. Saying this because I went to buy a

    tobacco pouch at 'Men's Biz' and it was plastic with a plastic lining and named a 'tobacco pouch'. It was $40.00. So I

    went to 'Red Dot' discount stores and got the same thing, in nice brown, and it cost $2.00. BUT IT WAS CALLED A PENCIL CASE!!!! :thumbup

    Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU

    * Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each

    * Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total

    That would be a = 19.2 Ghz = processor, would it. :w00t: Is this the same as Apple Mac. Do Hollywood special effects dept.'s only use Apple?

    ".... The CPU isn´t that good and as far as I know it´s a RISC based CPU made for only calculations and not a instructions processor like we have in our computers (although the are mixed now, some RISC processor parts are now included). ..."

    Isn't all a computer does is calculations? It's either ON or OFF. 0 or 1. That's all a transistor can do - switch on or off. But they're got a 165-million transistor, multi-core processor running three 3.2-GHz PowerPC cores. So you can turn on and off in a lot of combinations!

    "... Listen, 21.6GB/s is throughput, no speed in MHz.

    DDR2-667 PC2-5300, 333 MHz, 5.3 GB/s in single mode, 10.6 GB/s double mode

    DDR2-800 PC2-6400, 400 MHz, 6.4 GB/s in single mode, 12.8 GB/s double mode

    Still is has 2 times the throughput as DDR2 I know, but DDR2-1066 is also out ..."

    I think I'll take the throughput ... that can move some serious s***.

    ".... Other hardware isn’t special at all in the Xbox 360, believe me ..."
    Microsoft devised a cooling system that combines a small, vacuum-sealed, liquid-cooled system with fans to maintain a comfortable temperature inside the 360. The system regulates the temperature of the cores and adjusts the flow of liquid and fan speed accordingly. Additionally, the cooling system monitors the core's workload: If one or more cores are

    not needed for the job at hand (for instance, if you were using the Xbox 360 to watch a DVD), then the unused cores are automatically turned off.

    To COOL 19.2 Ghz. What do you have? Your 3.2 Ghz immersed in vegetable oil. Or a huge leaf blower - that sounds like you're taxying down a runway? :whistle:

    "... 10MB of L2 cache is big and pretty expensive, you know that the latest Intel CPUs have 4MB and they cost a lot more then the 2MB version. .."

    Then why is the Xbox 360 so cheap? Make money selling games. Can't you make money selling app. software?

    ".... Also, the XBox 360 has only 512MB of RAM so why would they use that 10MB as a L2 cache? ..."
    Because the RAM is only half-cocked, while the cache is fully-cocked. But actually it is RAM-on-the-chip. Unbelievable.
    ".. can´t change parts of the Xbox and with the PC I can, making the PC more interesting .."

    Maybe they'd let you if it was an app PC. You can rip the HD off the outside of the top though, and add size.

    -------------------

    The Xbox 360 has an Ethernet port to hook up to a broadband connection, as well as a slot for a WiFi card. The 360 is WiFi-ready "out of the box" and the bundle includes an connectivity Ethernet cable.

    The Xbox 360 comes standard with both composite and component video connections to hook up to a TV. There are also optional connections for S-Video and VGA, and the console supports some SCART-type adapters used in Europe. The Xbox 360 Console System includes a standard-definition AV cable, while the Xbox 360 bundle comes with an AV HD cable and a media remote.

    The Xbox 360 has multi-channel surround sound that supports 256 channels of 48 KHz, 16-bit digital audio. The 32-bit audio processing is handled by the CPU. One of the most talked about new audio features of the Xbox 360 is customizable soundtracks. No matter what video game you are playing, you can play or stream your music during gameplay.

    In keeping with the idea that the Xbox 360 is a full media center, it sports a 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM that can read DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD and JPEG Photo CD. The 360 does not, however, support Blu-ray.

    --------------------

    The GPU

    Another powerful asset in the Xbox 360 is the Graphics Processor Unit (GPU). The Xbox 360 boasts the new, custom-built 500-MHz ATI Graphics Processor card with 10 MB of embedded DRAM. While the 500-MHZ graphics processor is powerful, and 10 MB of DRAM provides ample memory for the GPU to do its job, the most innovative thing about this card is that it is built on unified shader architecture.

    Shaders are computer programs that determine the final look of what you see on the screen when you're looking at computer animation. Shaders take rendered 3-D objects that are built on polygons (the building blocks of 3-D animation) and make them look more realistic. There are two types of shaders: pixel shaders and vertex shaders.

    Pixel shaders can be used to alter the lighting, color and surface of each pixel. This in turn affects the overall color, texture and shape of 3-D objects built from these pixels. Pixel shaders help to "smooth out" 3-D objects, giving them a more organic texture. To learn more about pixel shaders.

    Vertex shaders work by manipulating an object's position in 3-D space. "Vertex" refers to the intersection of two coordinates in space. You would map the position of an animated object in 3-D space by giving it a value. These values are the x, y and z coordinates. By anipulating these variables, a vertex shader can create realistic animation and special effects such as "morphing." To read more about vertex shaders, see What are Gouraud shading and texture mapping in 3-D video games?

    In real-time graphics, like the kind you see in video games, shaders work with the graphics processor. The shaders make billions of computations a second in order to perform their specific tasks. These computations are worked in steps over a series of computational components. Think of an assembly line. In the world of hardware, these assembly lines are called pipelines.

    Traditionally, pixel shaders and vertex shaders have dedicated pipelines because each one has very specific and differing needs. As we learned before, the new ATI graphics card in the Xbox 360 has unified shader architecture. What that means is that now, both shader types share the same pipelines. ATI figured out a way at the hardware level to address the needs of both types of shaders using the same pipeline.

    The apparent advantage of sharing pipelines is to add more assembly lines, making computation that much faster. ATI claims that this unified shader architecture allows for 48 billion shader operations per second. The Xbox 360 is the first device to use this type of architecture.

    That's some serious s*** ...

    Last, but not least, I don't have one. Can't get into games. There seems to be an age cut off where you cannot participate anymore. :(

  19. Well it seems to me it just needs an operating system, graphic and sound apps written for it, etc, and it would blow Vista away with 3D and performance. And sound quality, WOW, plus high definition monitor performance. I would pay double the price if it was a normal PC! But remember, Vista has taken five years, and now delayed til Jan or Feb, 2007.

    So how long would it take Microsoft to develop an OS for this ... be out of date ..

    The Xbox 360 is also a specially packaged computer, but once you look inside, you realize that this console has quite a bit

    under the hood.

    Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU

    * Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each

    * Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total

    That's six, or SIX, or 6 __ 3.2 GHz processors running!!! :w00t:

    Microsoft has outfitted the 360 with a 165-million transistor, multi-core processor running three 3.2-GHz PowerPC cores. (Perhaps MS should be in the hardware business, oh, wait, they are - China mouse, China Keyboard.)

    (A core is another name for a processor. Recently, hardware manufacturers have started combining several cores, or processors, onto one chip. This is a multi-core processor. Multi-core processors offer a combination of tremendous computing capabilities and efficient power consumption. They split heavy work loads over multiple powerful processors rather than giving all the work to one super-powerful processor.)

    Microsoft devised a cooling system that combines a small, vacuum-sealed, liquid-cooled system with fans to maintain a comfortable temperature inside the 360. The system regulates the temperature of the cores and adjusts the flow of liquid and fan speed accordingly. Additionally, the cooling system monitors the core's workload: If one or more cores are not needed for the job at hand (for instance, if you were using the Xbox 360 to watch a DVD), then the unused cores are automatically turned off.

    Custom ATI Graphics Processor

    * 10 MB of embedded DRAM

    Have you got a graphic processor with ten, or TEN, that's 10 ____ 10MB Ram? Not 128K, 256K or 512K.

    Memory Bandwidth

    * 21.6 GB/s front-side bus Not 400 or 800 FSB - but 21 Gigabytes.

    Digital Media Support

    #Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG

    Photo CD.

    #Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs.

    #Ability to rip music.

    # Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005

    # Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

    High-Definition Support

    # Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

    Audio

    * Multi-channel surround-sound output

    * Supports 48-KHz 16-bit audio

    * 320 independent decompression channels

    * 32-bit audio processing

    * More than 256 audio channels

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    This Xbox thingy appears to only be 12 inches tall? Is that right. And you can change hard Disk from the outside (top of) box. Admittedly they are Notebook 2.5 inch disks that cost more.

    All you need is an OS, rewritten Photoshop, Dreamweaver, IE, mail, burners and players, Firefoxes, etc. TASK IS TOO BIG TO CO-ORDINATE. MS cannot even co-ordinate Vista. The WHOLE software industry would have to write programs for a SUPER COMPUTER. Dream on ... :}

  20. Is the Xbox 360 a computer? :no:

    Why not? :(

    Am I the only one who's crazy? :wacko:

    The Xbox 360 it is not a personal computer in the sense of PC as a productivity tool. However, its hardware capabilities and technical specifications make the Xbox 360 more powerful than any desktop computer available on the market at this time.

    Higher capacity hard disk, DVD-RW, Windows 3D OS - where is my SUPER COMPUTER! :blushing:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Microsoft's Todd Holmdahl

    Along with seeing the final CPU, GPU, TV encoder, and Southbridge chips in the flesh, we were told how the CPU's three cores are capable of running at a whopping 3.2 GHz each -- each core supporting two threads making for a total of six threads running at any one time. The CPU is a custom-built IBM PowerPC-based chip. The GPU is also a powerhouse, and Holmdahl seemed confident that the graphical grunt of the 360 is around twice as powerful as the most powerful PC chipset architecture currently in circulation. With a clock speed of 500 MHz, the GPU (designed by ATI) is able to support up to 48 different pixel shaders (advanced shader language) at any one time, something which will allow developers and artists to use some truly gorgeous rendering and special effects in their games.

    The CPU and GPU are linked together by a blisteringly fast data bus which can transfer operations at an incredible 5.4 Gb per second. Couple this together with the TV encoder chip (responsible for the various high-definition output modes that connect to HD-compatible displays) and the Southbridge chip which deals with a variety of functions like audio, and the core of the 360 shapes up to be incredibly efficient and extremely powerful. The bottom line? Games for the Xbox 360 have the potential to be very, very special. After all, the overall system floating-point performance of the machine is an astounding 1 TFLOP!

    Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU:

    # 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each

    # 2 hardware threads per core; 6 hardware threads total

    # 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total

    # 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread

    # 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each

    # 1 MB L2 cache

    CPU Game Math Performance:

    # 9 billion dot product operations per second

    Custom ATI Graphics Processor:

    # 500 MHz

    # 10 MB embedded DRAM

    # 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines

    # Unified shader architecture

    Polygon Performance:

    # 500 million triangles per second

    Pixel Fill Rate:

    # 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X MSAA

    Shader Performance:

    # 48 billion shader operations per second

    Memory:

    # 512 MB GDDR3 RAM

    # 700 MHz DDR

    # Unified memory architecture

    Memory Bandwidth:

    # 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth

    # 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM

    # 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

    Overall System Floating-Point Performance:

    # 1 TFLOP

    Storage:

    # Detachable and upgradeable 20 GB hard drive

    # 12X dual-layer DVD-ROM

    # Memory unit support starting at 64 MB

    I/O:

    # Support for up to 4 wireless game controllers

    # 3 USB 2.0 ports

    # 2 memory unit slots

    Optimized for Online:

    # Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, Gamer Profile for digital identity and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music

    # Built in Ethernet Port

    # Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G

    # Video Camera Ready

    Digital Media Support:

    # Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD

    # Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows XP PCs

    # Rip music to Xbox 360 hard drive

    # Custom playlists in every game

    # Windows Media Center Extender built in

    # Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers

    HD Game Support:

    # All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing

    # Standard definition and high definition video output supported

    System Orientation:

    # Stands vertically or horizontally

    =================================================

    The Xbox 360, like all video game consoles, is just a computer with hardware and software dedicated to the function of running video game software. The original Xbox was in essence a Windows PC with a modified Pentium III processor, some relatively powerful graphics and audio hardware and a modified version of the Microsoft operating system Windows 2000, all packaged in that distinctive black box.

  21. Are you sure?

    Because I definitely downloaded the official one from MS site, and I can confirm it was build 5299!

    Yes. You see that "Packager :: JCXP.net". That's not Microsoft, and that data is a warez file. They use .nfo files for info.

    JCXP.net do have the latest ver. of IE listed now - AND it links to MS downloads - the other version did not.

    I too, download this version from a REPUTABLE site, think I got beta 1 through them. However this time it wasn't the official MS one. When that came out, I uninstalled this and went and got the official one from MS. Even though it was an OLDER build. :(

  22. I voted for Firefox and hate Netscape but I'm talking about the very old Netscape. A picture I saw recently of the new version looks OK. You also did not say if it's IE6 or IE7 (beta1) or (beta2) or March, 20 REFRESH of IE you are listing.

    I am mostly using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Firefox/1.5.0.1 as my main browser because of the useful extensions I have. It's also tuned, and has site ads script blocker.

    Just download and am using HERE NOW Internet Explorer 7.0.5335.5 (Beta 2) March 20, 2006 REFRESH.

    "Hey, we waited too long for a browser release," Gates said during his

    keynote address at MIX 06. "We will be able to [release]a browser

    much faster than the typical major Windows release cycle. We're already

    working on the next two releases. And so you can expect to see us

    moving very, very rapidly there because we see great opportunities ...

    the key point I want to make is that IE 7 is not the end of the line."

    You surely did Bill. We have everthing to thank Firefox for, but the majority of people will always use Internet Explorer. Firefox works well for me on everything, except my blog (now stopping) at

    http://www.dongle.bigblog.com.au/blog.do

    and look up 'dongle' before you censor me like Bigpond tried. :blink:

    The EDIT for the blog pops up a window and is perfect except, at the bottom there is NO 'cancel' and 'save & publish' BUTTONS. Very strange. And I can't get Mozzie to look at it because only I can be logged in.

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