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Fredledingue

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  1. I'm still not sure what I will do: Use W7, or a hacked W8? Now with the blurred font issue (what a bunch of idiots!) it makes me even less decided.
  2. Yes, this is unacceptable. Their design is getting worse and worse day after day. These new Office icons are designed to be as less recognizable as possible. Moving to the Windows 8 Metro esthetic would give me headaches. Not for me thanks. I want an interface which is relaxing to the eyes and ergonomic at the same time. Not someting that is opposite in both.
  3. Jaclaz, even Vista and moreso W7 computers can be very efficient machines assuming that you tweak the OS, install efficient third party softwares and remove or disable all the garbage. With W8 it can be made even more efficient thought tweaks only won't be enough. The OS must be hacked, not to gain effeciency but to get a normal UI. With every version of Windows since XP we had to do something to get the full potential of the hardware and / or increase safety, reduce annoyances etc. If you want to compare to W98 (or W9x if you prefer), W7 and Vista can be tweaked in a way that they will barely waste more resources than W98. W8 may be as efficient or almost as efficient as W98. And that's why it may be interresting to use W8.
  4. Downgrade rights suppose that you move to a precedent version of Windows "after the fact" that W8 was installed when you bought the computer. Not that you bought a computer with W7 preinstalled instead of W8. One question with "downgrading" to the better W7 UI is the W8 core files. W8 core files are much more efficient than those of W7 and of course, of Vista. Usualy Windows OS loses in efficiency at each new release. This time is different: Core files are better because they have been rewritten to work on less powerful devices. So the questions are: - Will W8 core files be used on a W8 to W7 "downgrade" install or not? - Will it be possible to install W8 core files (or upgraded files present in W8) with a normal install of W7 (or below) And if yes, with official or unofficial chanels? - Will W8 upgrades be applicable to W7? - Isn't it better to install W8 and then apply an unofficial patch to fix the UI and eradicate Metro? There are several strategies to be exploited. IMO Microsoft will either silently allow geeks to make the W8 usable on a desktop PC or they will release a Metro-free, Start Menu enabled version of their own.
  5. I don't think anyone will risk a lawsuit which is likely to be lost if such reasons are invoked by a physical person. However I'm positive that companies will sue Microsoft over W8. (And fire the IT guy who made the mistake to install this unusable OS) Because companies have other types of contracts, and Microsoft has other responsabilities. It's almost assumed that businesses will never install W8, that they already have choosen not to do so, but some businesses will still have W8 installed on some machine for some reasons (incompetance, ingorance of the fact that Metro cannot be disabled {theoricaly}, computers coming with it preinstalled etc). While most of businesses will not sue Microsoft because they will not use W8 on any of their machines, there will always be a few hundreds (or thousands) who will have to cope with the Windows 8 nightmare and immediately sue Microsoft if they don't get W7 freely installed instead or a refund. You can't run a business an have a Mickey Mouse start screen full of crap and commercials on your computer. Yet Microsoft will have to provide a professional OS one day or another, just to get up to date with the W8 core files improvements. IMO Microsoft will be obliged to release a "pro" version of W8 which will run without Metro (or with Metro rendered optionable) at some point. Perhaps a few months or weeks after the "Kindergarten" release. If they don't they will be flooded with lawsuits, refund requests, helpdesk complains and bad press. The world is not going to stay iddle in the face of it. MS already shaked a big olive tree. There are already a phenomenal reaction to it. (first hacks to disable Metro went online within days) Everybody from hardware manufacturers to individuals already feel unconfortable about it. No Metro will not be enforced on us that smoothly. What??! A snapshot of Metro suffices!
  6. As more and more serious poeple are involved in correcting W8, Microsoft will be forced to let them do it. They can shrugg off board messages by little MSFN members, but they will have to pay attention of what the guys in the business are saying. If PC makers are already contacting Startdock for its Start8 app, it would be very embarrassing for MS to push the corck further. IMO it's already very embarrassing for them at present. Since the Styart Menu is now being developed by private companies (I mean independant) we can expect more improvements to it, more user-friendly options, better look, faster updates etc. In fact Microsoft should remove all features from Windows so that they can be redesigned better by independant developers.
  7. Maybe MS wants to revive this: The end of Minitel (G translated) La fin du Minitel
  8. Thanks a lot for this link, I just tried it a minute ago and it's great!
  9. We are at such point where one wish not hacks to be developed so that W8 can burried and forgotten faster. Developing apps that redo what Microsoft undoes persistently is a waste of time. It's ok to fix a semi-decent OS like XP, Vista or 7. But fixing W8? Seriousely? We have better do a W7 to W8 service pack installing all the good system files from W8 into W7 (as MDGx had done with W98 to ME). The second thing, is that those who realy like Metro won't need the fix that we will make. CharlotteTheharlot Yes, Microsoft is not taking the responsabilities that you described above. Why removing HLP support on a swollen 12Gb OS while a HLP reader takes, what, 400 Kb? Sometimes we wonder wether it's deliberate or sheer stupidity. They are not respecting ethics. Nut there is no commonly accept ethic in this domain unfortunately. And MS is not the only one. The software industry is a real mess against common sens and good practice. It's only about who will write the software the faster and the cheaper, no matter how inneficient, bloated and backward uncompatible it is. Only crap duplication. It's a lack of respect for the users. Datas preservation/readability is the most important ethical rule. Perhaps we could try to enumerate a list of other ethical IT rules: -Respect CPU usage by producing software which don't cause useless processing operations. -Respect of Hard Disc space by not inflating uselessly softwares, datas installed installed with this software or generated by thios software -Respect of Bandwith of the user as well as of the global community by not spamming, uselessly transfer datas, uselessly requiering a connection -Respect of productivity and of the work of others by creating ergonomical software interfaces. ... etc But the most important IMO is still the RESPECT of LIBERTY by allowing users to opt in or out. Here Microsoft is deliberately reducing our Liberty in many ways, in an unprecedented manner. - The most famous example so far is preventing us to restore the classic start menu. - The other is to prevent to disable Metro. - Puting by default tiles for commercial softwares and outright advertising. Tiles which are difficult to remove. - Making IE10 "metro only". - Making sure Metro apps can't be used on another environement. (I bet you money that as we speak there is already file format which you can read only on Metro) Sinofsky can tell what he wants: I'll bash W8 to the point characters get erased off my keyboard, as long as Metro cannot be easily disabled on Windows 8. As long as they don't return the options to the users (for the Start Menu and other things) I'll bash Microsoft as a whole, and MSFT as a stock investment more specificaly.
  10. You are all making jokes but the issue is truely deeper than just added complexity. It's Microsoft's deliberate ignorance of how we use computers and denying the most basic and most useful tasks: copy-paste and saving content on your hard disk. First came the PDF format which prevented copy paste and editing. Then Flash/YouTube made a second huge step in the entertainement consumer oriented IT and view-and-forget philosophy. And now we have Metro which is one more attempt to make the the content basicaly visual and not written. You are not supposed to save on disc or to copy paste from Metro. Yes this is a source of worry. IMO W8 will be too short lived for any effect to occure but we never know. Now et's say poeple who have never used a computer before (but may have used a Metro-styled portable device) are accepting little by little the Metro interface and the market shares is growing slowly year after year. Some poeple eventualy buy computers only for its metro apps. That would be horror. But unless MS completely remove the desktop and creates Metro-only OS for PC, which is IMO what they plan to do, poeple will always know that the desktop exists. They will also see other computers with desktops and so on. Young users are intelligent and are always looking for new, better things, cooler things. They are curious and spread the word pretty quickely. They will try Metro, find it's cool at first, then realize that there is something better beside Metro. Teenagers are expert in P2P, digital camera uploads and other advanced stuffs we have no idea of. Kids before 10 are expert in finding free games online and already know how to avoid the pay traps and already know how to turn on a spam filter and to choose FF instead of IE or vice versa depending on the website without anybody telling them. (I witnessed that in real life) Kids will quickely find out how to work around Metro and decide that it succks because it lacks capabilities. Also what do you mean by new users? Today the first contact with a PC is at the age of, what, 3? A 3 years old toddler is unlikely to by a new PC. Remains the elders, who feel that they need a computer, just they are not sure for what but everybody uses it. But here again, the age of such person moves also to the oposite extreme. Practicaly you need someone who retired from active life before computers where everywhere. That means 80 years old or something. They are more likely than kids to stick with Metro because it will be simple to use especialy with a declining vision, very elemtary needs and very low learning curve (as long as it works for what they heard a computer is useful for). Metro somehow fits for very old poeple in some ways (in other ways like finding the invisible charms it makes it worse for them). But it's not the demographic class which is likely to drive sales, buy new programs and new gadgets. Once they have their computer, they are likely to stick with it unchanged the rest of their life. All the 90% of users in between will just see Metro as a sort of webpage over the desktop. Sometimes useful, sometimes annoying but always regarded as not the main thing on the OS because eveytime you step out of the 3 or 4 ultra basic actions on Metro you are back to the desktop. I said that one of the first reaction will be "Why I can't resize windows in Metro" (And MS is already coming up with an erzatz of multiple windows on Metro) Another reaction will be "Why I can't have metro app shortcuts on my desktop?" MS will get mad when non-infrormed poeple will start asking stupid questions!
  11. Also don't underestimate the power of the "Show Desktop" icon on the Quick Launch. It shows the desktop instantly with all the icons on it (in case you still use desktop icons or your Quick Launch bar is full) And it minimizes all windows which is also useful to clear up your workspace.
  12. Fredledingue, I sure hope you're right! Up above, xpclient described Win8 and Win8 Pro as, I was using that as the starting point for my own comment. --JorgeA I understand. My point was that MS won't find so many dumb users for their Metro UI. Even dumb users know what they want.
  13. Interresting how everyone is different (please somebody send it to MS telemetry -LOL-) I may not use Start Menu often to launch programs but I do press the Start button at least once a day: to shut down the computer. Other use of the Start Menu for me are: "Control Panel", "Find" and "Run...". There was a time when I used a lot of different programs, I sorted all programs in a tree with categories, with one category with only "uninstall" and another one with all the "readme" shortcuts. It was only boring that everytime I installed a new program I had to sort the new shortcuts again. So I ended up too lazy to reproduce it after I reinstalled windows. But I remember when everything was tidy and sorted, it rocked. It was very good. I could find any program instantly.
  14. This mean that your number of downloads or attempts at downloads has exceeded 6 in 24h on the main site. This is normal except that PhP seems to forget to update the IP login datas after 24h. So I deleted the IP login datas so that you can try again. This is not wonderful, this is a necessary security step after I'v been hacked. Otherwise I'd just put a direct link as before. The PhP script is a very difficult one and doesn't react the same way not only on different server, but also on different browser/download managers which theoricaly it shouldn't. I'v tried dozen versions of this script and this is the only one working on the server. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. As stated above it was the only way to prevent the bandwidth attack I was victim of few months ago. I know it sucks not to be able to use a dwonlaod manager, but you don't have to download 98SESP every second day, hopefully. If I was managing (cuz I'm the website manager) a website where poeple come to regularly download large files I may do it differently. But we are talking about a file that's downloaded only once or twice, for a total of 150 downloads a months. Not a big deal. + There is the second server for which I have no control over, because it's not on my website. And it has the same inconvenience, probably to avoid the same problem. buyerninety and Drugwash, The filesize is not a very good way to check the file version. The date is more indicative of which file is newer. But the best way is still to update the file version number (or sub number or sub version letter whatever). Like 3.2a, 3.2b, 3.2c etc Are you sure it's usefull to trim as much as possible. What if someone need "smart card components"?
  15. That was an interrresting article to read about the Start Menu, an article posted on the "Deeper Impression" thread. "Poeple stopped using it" ...until they do. Myself I didn't use it for ages (at least for opening a program) until I needed an application I didn't have on my desktop. The fun part of it was that it wasn't on the Start Menu neither, so I had to fetch it in the Programs folder. My point is that you always got to have a way to find things where you could find them. Typing a search box is not necessarly the best way since you may not remeber how the program is spelled exactly. Start Menu may not be used often but it comes handy when you need it.
  16. That would be consistant with the backtime machine which W8 is. No, Jorge, the PC culture is too entrenched in poeple's way of life that it won't happen. The basic user who will try W8 the first time when it will be commercialized will be very different from the geeks who tested it relatively successfuly. The basic user will not take the time to read 20 articles, instructions and will not know before hand what Metro is realy. Their first reaction will be "what's that???". Very quickely poeple asking how to reduce Metro to the taskbar. Because that's the logical way poeple use computers nowadays: Everything is reducable to the taskbar for acessing what's behind. If Metro was a resizable and reducable window, it would still have a chance to be accepted. Not under its current form since it breaks the very efficent 3D layers of usual Windows. Metro asks users to remove one dimension off their mindset, from 3D to 2D, and this is radical and stupid at the same time. Especialy since the 3D concept remains behind Metro. No no no, poeple won't move to a 2D world while they always enjoyed 3D.
  17. Were we flooded with demands of exact file size in bytes for each new version, I could do a small PhP script to display it,... but I don't have too much time at the moment for the pleasure of one unique person. Poeple will have to content with an aproximative "58 Mb" for all versions unless the size change dramaticaly. (I'll rather be more absent because the summer is the hot job season for me so be aware)
  18. Ehh... you mean the "progra~1" directory? LOL IMO there will be a huge incentive to hack Metro since it's the perfect platform to display adds. Metro is a "Commercial Window", every webshop will want to have their tile on your "Start Screen". It will be a fight to who will best at it. Big brands can pay MS directly and get their brand logo on OEM versions of W8's Metro. Smaller fishes will have to rely on russian hackers.
  19. linkI'm very confuse about what Microsoft managers think about marketability of their products. It seems that they completely forgot the notion that an OS or a device working with this OS is a product that must be sold. That poeple will choose to pay or not to pay for it. The shift in concept is not Metro that much, the shift in concept at Microsoft is commercial. Instead of trying to sell as much as possible, they don't care anymore about sales at all. It's the first time in my life when I see a private company so disinterrested in selling their brandmark product, so indifferent to the flashing red lights and warnings. They are not blind, they are able to read consumer reviews like anyone of us, but they choose to ignore them superbly. It's like they KNOW they won't sell this OS, but want to go ahead with it no matter what. Unbelievable! How many times this will have to be repeated? How many poeple will have to write it again and again? Are the poeple at Microsoft tone deaf? Make Metro optionable, return the classic Start Menu and the problem is solved. With all the other technical improvements, and with the advantage of running Metro apps if you want to, and the new concpets which may work, this release could be a blockbuster. Realy, Windows 8 could be the best OS ever released if the Microsoft team didn't act like goofs. Why they want to lose 3/4 of potential sales just for making Metro not optionable is beyond me. Also worth reading (off topic): So, the OEMs make money from installing crapware onto PCs, and now Microsoft is making money removing it. Makes you realize why more and more people are buying Apple hardware.
  20. You are right: MS didn't bother to educate its userbase. Not only on security but on the million of cool stuffs you can do with existing OS since W98. Therefore they create a whole new OS just to put a few ignored features forward. They shows the ability to launch IE10 full screen on Metro as a new feature. Well it's been almost 20 years that pressing F11 does just that! LOL. But MS has also been terrible with security and, as you said, instead of fixing it, they added layers of protection. For example the ability to download something on the desktop and run it. This is completely insane. Or enable scripts on Word documents! Or scripts on html e-mail messages... :shock: Scripts can be very useful on Excell sheets or Word documents, but there are relatively difficult to implement and inefficient, when you know that you can do much better in HTA, without compromising safety. Microsoft opened many doors to viruses to allow features almost nobody uses. But instead of removing these features known to bring in viruses, they do someting more complicated. ActiveX, in javascript/html codes, can easily manipulate your operating system. And you can't disable ActiveX if you want to watch YouTube videos! That's total insanity. Why they simply didn't removed ActiveX and make a flash video-only module to replace it? No, instead they create a white list for IE10. You can blame the user, but how do a user know that a webpage contain malware? OK for downloaded softwares, but then how a software can be launched other than by doubleclicking on an exe file? Why doubleclicking on a .dat file can install a virus on your computer??? There are very strange questions about the choice MS made about safety. Now with Metro, if its apps are effectively sandboxed, isolated from the system (which remains to be seen), then it will be quiet a radical step to protect the users. But what when Metro will be hacked? Note, I don't ask "what if Metro can be hacked", I ask what will happen when Metro will be hacked in short order and massively? Maybe hackers may not enter the system, but posting undeletable adds on the screen that appears everytime a user boots their computer is more than enough for them. Every shopping website will want their tile on your Metro start screen, and you can make sure that, as we speak, they are already working hard on ways to hack it big time. Had Linux 90% of market share, there would have also been 90% of hacker energy spent on breaching Linux' safety. Yet that's assuming Linux developers do the same mistakes as Microsoft. Mistakes which I explained above, albeit not exclusively these ones. Let's say Linux has a system to allow YouTube videos to play while not enabling ActiveX, then you already have a huge safety improvement. And so forth with the hundreds of safety weakness which could be easily adressed. No he deosn't. I wonder if he uses a PC himself. He has probably only a small laptop/tablet-already which he carries all the time with him, or maybe no device at all, since he dictates his secretary what to type on tweeter. Anyway, he is totaly disconected with reality as this comment confirms. This is incredible. Especialy the "a PC that's a great tablet" part.
  21. + It's clear that the goal of Microsoft is not to offer an OS but turn your computer into a game console, but not only, an on-line shopping console too. But poeple don't like to be drawn into spending and be flooded with adds. The woman and Microsoft more generaly, make marketing mistakes because they rely exclusively on datas and lab testing and don't listen to the opinion of the poeple. They forget that there are different devices for different uses and different poeple. Poeple don't live and work by the 'patern'. They believe that if someone belongs to a category, he or she will frocibly want to buy a device or software build for this category. This is completely wrong! Poeple will reject a product for the 0.1% of jobs they cannot do with it. The Metro start screen is appealing for a very small minority of users, the users who spend the less time on a computer and who are the less likely to use a computer at work. There are many instances where using a laptop instead of a desktop would be less efficient, or less fun. We didn't 'start with desktop and go for laptop'. Many poeple like laptop so that they can carry their work with them everywhere. It doesn't mean we don't use desktop anymore. Everytime you need multiple drives, especialy two optic drives, you need a desktop. Everytime you need a special internal or external connection slot, you need a desktop. Everytime you want to upgrade a part of your computer you need a desktop. But you will also chose a desktop anytime you don't need to carry your computer with you. I never bring a laptop with me because I find it very burdensome and I have no or very little use for it. Now with USB drives you can carry all your documents in your pocket or your purse and you will find a computer to plug it in just about everywhere you go. It's much easier. Isn't W8 coming with a USB boot option? That at least makes sens. Assuming that all computers are portable gadgets doesn't. It's not just that they will sell more by making poeple spending more everytime something new is out. That works for 16~18 years old kids. Not with adult who are able to see the price/quality ratio. Did MS sold more Office licenses thanks to ribbon, or simply because more businesses used computers? Ribbon is basicaly a drop-down menu displaying horizontaly instead of verticaly and slightly more graphical. It's nothing genius to brag about. And since just about every other softwares use classical drop-down menus and because Ribbon doesn't increase much productivity, why not letting the user choose to have a consistant menu bar across all applications? By removing the Start Menu, they went one step further into their hate for drop-down and cascading menus. And, again, they ignore the variety of the tasks users are doing and think they can simplify it by applying findings from statistics. Since Vista Microsoft wanted to separate the end user from the under the hood stuffs (note that this also apply to cars). One step in this direction was creating fake names for directories. Directories which would be displayed under another name than that in their path. That existed already in XP for the 'document' folder, but grew to many other things in Vista and again in W7. As a result it made the use of Windows much more complicated for everybody, including novice users. IMO if computer interface evoluated into multiple, resizable windows and into extensive, tabbed option settings, it's because it's the way it sold best. It was selected by the market, like the natural selection of living beings if you will. Windows like any other OS doesn't evolve toward what MS decides but to what poeple choose. That's why I'm not worried about the dumbing down effect you fear about. There is no reason why other users would feel differently than us here on this forum. You will hear very quickely 'Why I can't do this with this new computer while I could do it with the old computer!?'. If I shout that Windows 8 will be a market disaster it's not because I don't like Metro, it's because Microsoft goes against the logic of the market. (They have other plans to make money off Metro, but I talk here about the OS strictly speaking) They don't want to sell what has always been the top and only choice by the users. Every OS manufacturer have opted for the desktop/multiple and resizable windows/start menu concept. It's not by chance. It's because that's what the clients want and need. Now MS is coming up with something that poeple neither want nor need. It's easy to predict the result. ---------------------
  22. I'm not even interrested anymore about what stupidities these goofs are adding to this travesty OS. Yet I couldn't help looking at the snapshots.
  23. With some effort and third party apps one can turn W8 into an almost pallatable system. Still W7 is more advanced IMO.
  24. problemchyld, If you can upload files to the website, I could do my share of testing. VBSCRIPT.DLL 5.8.6001.23141 Could be added to the list of updates working with KerneleX. Without kernelex, we stumbled on uncompatible VBSCRIPT.DLL when MDGx did his pack 2 years ago.
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