NotHereToPlayGames

You do not owe anybody an explanation! "We're not here to play games."

Agreed! Reply-box logging is done on pretty much every site with a reply box. It's only when you see this type of logging being performed on username and password fields that you should tie your knickers into a knot. But a reply box? Who cares, in my view. You wouldn't be IN the reply box if you didn't "support" the web site. And the reply box isn't even there until AFTER you LOG IN. If it truly concerns you, then I guess you're more than welcome to READ the content at MSFN, but you can't ADD content to MSFN.

My view is that nefarious keyloggers will send data BEFORE we hit that "submit reply" button. I've watched network packet traffic and I see no evidence of data being transferred WHILE our reply-box typing is being "logged". And you can open that log WHILE typing in this reply box and see just what it logs. I see nothing nefarious going on, just a "feature" that SOME will see as "value-add". I would rather this reply-box NOT be logged AT ALL. It was ME that reported this logging and I've seen ZERO people leave MSFN on account of it. And I have no plans to leave on account of it either. What you chose to do is totally up to you. But I am convinced that we will NOT get MSFN to change their code just for OUR preference. Nor should they, in my opinion. I'm all for privacy and security, but I think way too many people use it as an excuse for paranoia. And everybody's definition of "privacy", "security", and "paranoia" are DIFFERENT. All we can do is do the talking with our FEET, to be perfectly honest. I do that with Twitter and Facebook and 60% or so of Google (I do use some Google services). Twitter and Facebook is blocked. Oh, a lot of Yahoo is blocked also. If I feel like MSFN becomes "nefarious", then my feet will walk. In the meantime, it's all just "talk".

There is a keylogger for the sake of restoring typed content. Some users may see that as a "pro" and not a "con". I'm with D.Draker and see it as a "con". BUT even so, I can only prove that the keylogger is LOCAL, I cannot prove that MSFN is storing this log forever. Even if so, I kinda don't care. Why? Because if I have the reply box OPEN and I'm TYPING in that reply box, those are the ONLY keys being logged, and I'm about to POST it anyway. So what if the "log" show a TYPO that I had to backspace over and there may be a DELAY before the typo is corrected. Point is, this "keylogger" only logs the reply box. And anything beyond that "could" be considered conspiracy theory. I agree with D.Draker that we don't need this keylogger. But it's only logging this reply. It's not like I open the reply box, type profanities for the keylogger to log, then close the log without submitting those profanities. I only use the reply box for content that I'm in-process of submtting to the forum. Like I'm about to do as soon as I scroll the submit button into view...

YES. We let nitter drop! Or face the music and go out and buy a computer with Win10. And that's assuming nitter works on Win10, as none of the Win7 or Win10 crowd has chimed in. Why? Because none of us really care about nitter. Just my opinion, of course.

And I would not necessarily assume that faking a "new" User Agent (Latest User-Agent I see: for Mac Os X 10_7 with Firefox 92.0) would be the correct attempt either. But rather try a User Agent from 2017 or 2018. Keep trying older User Agents. At the very least, try a mobile phone User Agent. And if you never get anything that says something like "your browser is not supported", then that web site has been specifically coded to not care what your User Agent is. Faking User Agents is actually OLD SCHOOL. This isn't 2020 anymore. The "modern web" 'evolves' a crapload faster than it did way back in 2008 or so when "faking" User Agents became so common that some of our parents even know how to do it.

Theoretically, yes. There is a Compiling Chromium thread that was started in 2017 and only hit 3 pages by 2019 and has been recently bumped -- https://msfn.org/board/topic/177191-compiling-chromium-browser-for-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1208782 But the thread has found little to no traction and I wouldn't be able to be the first person to perform such a task until my retirement years 20 years away as it would be a full-time job to learn it all.

MOVE ON! Please. When you stumble upon a web site like nitter and you can't get it to work in TEN different web browsers, then hello, nitter is the problem, not your web browser. You've directly cited issues on nitter with v13.5 r 5, v13 r 6, v13 M, Cent, Slimjet 50, Iron 49, SuperBird 44, Serpent 55, IceApe, and NM28. This is NOT a "browser bug". Are you "reporting" this in forums of all TEN of those browsers? If so, your OCD is worse then mine You're kinda gonna have to ACCEPT that nitter is simply a JUNK web site that WILL NOT WORK (at least in XP, I'm still waiting for Win7 or Win10 users to chime in).

With nitter not working on basically ALL browsers (at least in XP), it's time to MOVE ON and ACCEPT that nitter is simply NOT GOING TO WORK (at least in XP). Has anyone tried nitter in any browser on Win7 or Win10? Has anyone tried changing the User Agent in any of the browsers they've tried in XP?

I totally understand you. I'm simply emphasizing the importance of "modern web" compatibility OVER AND ABOVE "extensions". I could care less about "extensions", I want a browser that can handle the "modern web" FIRST AND FOREMOST.

This is where I highly disagree! To me, the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of a web browser is that if I have 1000 weekly web sites that I visit, then the browser MUST work on ALL 1000 without any extensions installed. If so much as ONE of those web sites does not work without any extensions installed, then that web browser does not serve my needs and not worth my time! Period! This is the case with NM27 / NM 28 / BNav / St52 / St55 -- I cannot pay one of my utility bills with ANY of them so they serve ZERO purpose for me to use them on my other 999 weekly web sites. So "more extensions" means NOTHING to me! ESPECIALLY given that extensions are a "dime a dozen". MOST written by kids that are kinda clueless, but need to get their start somewhere. Extension ecosystems, in my view, are kinda better managed by Mozilla-based than Chromium-based. I do give Mozilla-based that. How many times have you searched for an extension on the Chrome Web Store and found one dated over a decade old!? It should have been DELETED a LONG time ago. Extensions have NEVER dictated what browser I use. AND NEVER WILL.

Agreed! I actually thought MAT was on the right track on this one and disagreed with Roytam's file names of palemoon and basilisk right in the file name (still disagree, to be honest, but no skin off my back). UNTIL we saw what happened with the "raccoon-branded" Mypal. MAT lost all accountability from that point forward in my eyes. BINGO!

As an MSFN member throughout this entire "mess", I never felt that MSFN was targeted specifically by Moonchild, only by Tobin. I didn't really follow it that closely (Mozilla-based lost to Chromium-based long before the "mess" arrived). As an XP user, I feel that official Pale Moon owes XP nothing. I really strongly believe that. If official Pale Moon is looking toward the future, then XP-compatibility is "backward-looking" and not "forward-looking". I can't help but feel that EVERYBODY in the UNIVERSE that is still using XP and needs a browser to also run on XP, those people are already HERE at MSFN. And we can count them on two hands! Add one foot if we need some toes to count the Vista folks. Official Pale Moon's future isn't XP and Vista. I know that "goes against the grain" of MSFN collective-opinion, but I really don't think that official Pale Moon's "future" is XP and Vista. There isn't that big of a "market share" for that audience. And we are all already members here at MSFN.

nitter is definitely not ok, the "No items found" is shown 19 times out of 20 refreshes, or thereabouts. nothing changed, just refresh the page 20 times and it finally decides to work.

I never wear a seatbelt if I'm only IN TOWN. Law be d@mned! It's "illegal" in the US to drive without a seatbelt. DO NOT CARE! I do not wear a seatbelt if I'm only IN TOWN. And do NOT feed me the BS that 40mph plus 40mph = 80mph. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. Only thing that EVER happens IN TOWN are "fender benders" and NOT "fatality" types of accidents - PERIOD! Sure, somebody is going to cite an exception, as an exception can always be found. SEATBELTS ARE POINTLESS FOR IN-TOWN DRIVING!

Piece of junk web site! My life has been fine without "nitter".

Is "CTR" a what or a who?

Confirmed, I've always used Stylem to customize NM27 and NM28.

I don't have any use for "nitter" but as far as testing, I have to disable NoScript and uMatrix, load the page, then re-enable and all works fine - even without setting any special non-default NoScript/uMatrix site-specific "nitter". Seems to me to be very much related to extensions. Chrome and Mozilla both have a flaw, from my experience, that a disabled extension does NOT BEHAVE THE SAME as the same extension enabled but with site-specific rules set to "trust/bypass". Chrome and Mozilla both also have the flaw, from my experience, that an INCOGNITO WINDOW does NOT BEHAVE THE SAME when an extension is disabled versus enabled! Too difficult to log specific cases, but I'd swear that I've seen this behavior over the years in both Chrome and Mozilla browsers - INCOGNITO mode will react DIFFERENTLY when an extension is ENABLED versus DISABLED. Even though INCOGNITO mode "should" behave as if all extensions are DISABLED (unless, of course, you opt-in for allow in Incognito). Do not assume that Incognito mode is the same thing as disabling all extensions!

My joke on my '55 Dodge and '61 Studebaker isn't about their lack of seat belts or airbags, but rather that they both have close to half a dozen ash trays but no cup holders.

I was never really a fan of Basilisk. Everything on the web I've ever needed would always work in NM27 / NM28 / BNav. Well, until recent year or so and I've needed Chromium-based. What am I missing that's supposed to be so special about Basilisk?

To Moonchild - Just read your "A change of direction for Pale Moon in 2022" thread in its entirety. BRAVO! I look forward to the new direction!

That's one of the reasons I never install addons directly from the Chrome Web Store. I download the .crx, exract it, remove all non-English location files, browse through .js files for possible phone-home URLS, repackage the .crx, then drag-and-drop into 360Chrome.

Working for me.