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On 3/2/2023 at 9:28 AM, jaclaz said:
#1 there are special tools (combs) that can be replaced by some medicine blister (foil pill container)
in some cases:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIPZtJyrVPw
the real issue is with multi-platter disks, you need to keep them exactly as they are, as well there are special tools/clamps for that.
#2 Curiously enough, that applied to very old drives, then for several years boards were exchangeable, then again it returned the need to transplant the chip because of the so-called adaptive data (p-list and g-list ,mainly, but not only) or (with tools like the Pc-3000) it is possible to dump the contents of a chip and re-program the one on the new board.
jaclaz
Sorry I missed your reply. I guess you saw what I saw too. I could cut the arms with a diagonal (while protecting the platen to get it out safely) but what could I do about putting it in the donor drive. It has to be the same model drive and it would be the same situation. However, even though we don't see it, there has to be a way to remove them. They were put in at the factory and must be able to be removed(somehow). I'll bet that's why it came back to me 2 days later. They couldn't figure out how to remove them either.
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"In some ways, COBOL is still a "Hot" language."
That system I created was totally written in COBOL. I really like that language because it is so easy to get things done. Something that might take 25 lines of "C" to accomplish can be done in COBOL with only 2 or 3 lines of code. On the backside of that, "C" can give you control down to the system level whereas COBOL can't. It's an application program language which was specifically created for business but can do more than just that.
"my mother worked for "Cray Research"
Now there's a computer! It runs so fast it has to be cooled by liquid nitrogen. Only have ever seen a picture of it. I'm told there's one in southern Illinois at SIU. One of my favorite things to do on the S390 was to go into the SDSF facility (System Display and Search Facility) and watch other peoples programs blow-up. You could also see the execution time for programs. Most ran in about .03 seconds. Talk about fast. TSO and ISPF were 2 other facilities availble for use.
"So did my cousin. I had the Tandy Color Computer II. We both got them as hand-me-downs. They were beyond their expiration date, at that time. I never actually learned the included Basic. I just copied text, from old magazines."
Was one of those mags "Compute"? I did the same thing too but also wrote some of my own.
"If it was IDE, I'm not sure they even plugged it in."
It was. I have taken a few apart over the years. Ones that were just junk so it didn't matter what happened. I did open that one up too, but I couldn't see how to remove the read/write arms without dragging them across the platens which would have caused further problems. I do have the tools though. I have read where each hard drive is calibrated at the factory and you just can't swap the platens from a bad drive to a good drive without swapping the circuit board too. The calibration is set on the chip that's on that board and no 2 are the same.
That link you provided was interesting. I had a program I found on the web that let you emulate the mainframe MVS environment on a PC, but my computer didn't meet the minimum requirements. QWS3270 is a program that I do have on my system. It turns the PC into an IBM3270 terminal so that you can communicate with the mainframe. You should be able to find it out there as a free download if you're interested.
Should we take this conversation private? We're getting off-topic but I do enjoy it.0 -
5 hours ago, awkduck said:
Just to be clear, have you yourself written in assembly? Its not important. I just wanted to ask.
"Thanks, for sharing some of your history. I enjoyed it."
Glad you did. All the languages I mentioned above I have programmed in. Here's a little more history. The ML/Binary and Assembly were on an IBM 360, The RPG was on an IBM 370 System3 and the COBOL/JCL/DB2/CICS was on an IBM S390. Programming on a mainframe is awesomely cool. They are just so fast. And it's nice to program in an environment that is bullet-proof bug-wise. I have also programmed in Basic and COBOL on the PC. For my 1st computer (the little TI99 4/A) I also have C, Forth, Pascal and a couple others I don't remember right now. I've never used them though.....yet! One day I'll get around to it. The early backup of that system I was working on that I lost will have to be run thru the compiler again to see where I left off. It's a good thing though that I kept all my notes and the sample forms. If I get back to it they should help me get back up to speed but I doubt I can completely put it back to where I had it. There was so much and I had it completely de-bugged. And I have never really let it go....it still bugs me. Just less than it did at first. I do have the drive that it was on still. 2 years ago I brought it over to Best Buy to have them retrieve whatever was on it that could be saved but they returned it to me 2 days later saying there was nothing. I really never believed that. There must be something on there that can be saved. At least I would like to take a look myself and verify that.
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On 2/21/2023 at 3:03 PM, awkduck said:
Maybe it was in the Nero installer?
Well, it is a direction. Static builds are the very portable, within a O.S. type. I can use new static GO builds, in old Linux distributions. With GCC C/C++, it would often require that the Linux kernel and Glibc be more up-to-date. And with win32, it will also depend on what libraries you build on. But you already knew that part.
There are other options, too.
BlackBox Component Builder, provides something similar(ish) to Java/VB. You can run it on different OS versions and Platforms. I would think the overhead would less, then say Java. However, it has a less mature availability of libraries. But it offers rapid-application-development.
There are some different "Small Talk (modern example)", rapid-application-development, projects. But I'm not sure if there is one, that bridges between many systems.
I mentioned "FreePascal/Lazarus", as there has been some work on win16 and Dos compatibility. Win9x has been depreciated. But, if there was enough interest, it could be re-ignited. If Win9x was brought, more into vogue, it would make FreePascal more interesting. Lazarus, is the rapid-application-development side of things. If Win9x support was re-upped, in FreePascal, Lazarus would also need updated. But there are alternative environments, to Lazarus, for FreePascal. They rely on the leaner Win/GDI and *nix/X11. MseGUI/IDE and fpGUI are the notable ones.
Note: It might be more likely, that the alternative GUI environments, would consider support for older systems. While they have a smaller development crew, they also have less dependency entanglement. It is also noteworthy, that they could just build in support for older versions of FreePascal; the ones that support Win9x. One could use older versions of FreePascal/development environments, and then minimally port their own code to the new compilers. Also, many older compilers support newer systems.
For the masochists, like me, there is FASM. It can have good O.S. portability. But is harder to bridge between architecture types. Writing something "like a modern web browser" in this, would be daunting. But, no doubt, many people would praise your skill/insanity. Fresh IDE, is a rapid-application-development environment for FASM. You can imagine, that work on this takes time. But the project could provide useful, if you are looking to use assembly.
More specific to web-browsing, there was an interesting project called "Hv3". It has 12/13 years, since it was last developed. But, might provide interesting study, for someone looking to build a web browser. This one would be "somewhat" useful, as is, if it just had modern encryption support.
But Fifth, is more relevant. It is FLTK3/Webkitfltk based. Obviously, this would require some Win9x back-porting. But it might be less dependency bound, than other options. The least compatible GCC compiler is 4.7.3. That means there is "potential" for MinGW/TDM and Win9x. I am "near" ready, on my own "Win9x" production environment. Hence, less knowledgeable regarding Win9x development. I'm only partially focused there, anyway.
Please forgive, I'm having a histamine attack today (Mast Cell Activation Syndrome). Concentration is harder. If my reply is confusing, it is probably due to my brain fog.
"Please forgive, I'm having a histamine attack today"
Hope you're feeling better now. And I did understand your reply.
Seems like you know or know about several modern programming languages. My experience is limited to the older ones. I've programmed in ML (Machine Language/Binary), Assembly, RPG, Cobol, CICS, JCL, DB2 and Basic. There is also the consideration, especially on older systems, that Intel did not put the CPU instruction set in the same place on the chip address-wise. I've talked with some older programmers who would complain that code would sometimes have to be re-written due to this. But I think this had to do with changes between the 286, 386 and 486 chips and then the Pentium line. I think they have probably standardized it by now. It's been about 10 years since I did any programming. The last thing I was working on was lost when the hard drive crashed. I had 7 years invested in that. It was a large project. I only just recently was able to recover an old backup of it which unfortunately is 7 years older than the last time I worked on it. Trying to remember everything I did during those 7 years is impossible. I should have made a more recent backup. Live and learn. Nothing new on the Java front. I've taken a break to let my mind clear. I do this sometimes so I can come back to it with a fresh perspective. Oh, it wasn't Nero but I think it was one of the other Java updates. I have Java 5 update 18, 21 and 22. I probably grabbed the wrong one and didn't notice.
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On 2/16/2023 at 6:58 PM, awkduck said:
Yes. Here it is. You can make static builds with other languages. It can be a pain. But I've found Go impressive.
I don't remember were, and a quick search didn't turn it up, but I think someone ported Go to dos once (protected/extended mode).
Hm? I used Ghex2 and couldn't find the string GET_UPDATE.
I think your right. When I had the chance last Friday I pulled it back in and couldn't find it either. Don't know why I said that. Still think there's a way to do it though. I'll have to look at it some more. I just downloaded go1.20.1.windows-386.zip. Looking forward to trying it. Looks a little like "C" with the braces. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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On 2/16/2023 at 6:27 PM, awkduck said:
SoftICE comes to mind. The Bochs Emulator. IDA(pro).
Thanks for the info. And we can close this thread. The info I got off of the ITPro website worked and Nero 7 is installed just the way I wanted it. Thanks for your and everyone else's help. Now just the Java remains.
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21 hours ago, awkduck said:
Probably the easiest way
With some guru tools, you could watch how everything interacts during execution. Depending on the day, that might be a bit too far
Like running the system in a VM, stepping through and noting every interation/opcode.
Would be interesting, if it was Norton Utilities.
So such a tool exists? I have wanted something like that for awhile. With that you can zero in on exactly what is causing the problem. When you step thru you can see what instruction caused the error and then examine that instruction to see why. I have that kind of app for my 1st computer. A TI99/4a. Yes it still works and I have it fully configured (hardware-wise) as far as it can go. The app is called Explorer and you can toggle between the detailed info screen (which includes the registers and instructions being executed and the user GUI which allows you to see the changes made as you step thru the instructions. Also have all the old games that ran on it and I also have a program that will read those game files and transfer them to my other computers. That will allow me to 1) burn them to disk so I can protect them from loss (they are on 5 1/4" floppies) and 2) run them on my "more modern" computers using the VM that emulates a TI 994/a on an IBM clone type computer. There are actually a couple of those emulators out there and they work very well. The one I have is PC99. Do you know the names of any of those tools?
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20 hours ago, awkduck said:
Don't mind me, I'm just jesting about extremes.
I have a fondness for static (or near static) applications. That is one of the things making "GO" (static friendly) an interesting programing language. Or tools like FreePascal/Lazarus (very portable) appealing.
Sometimes, in some tech corners, you get criticized for reinventing the wheel. But back in the Dos days, static building was much more normal. Then again, Dos didn't provide you much to build off of. There wasn't a library folder anywhere. Not that you couldn't do that.
But if you built things with less dependencies, especially O.S. dependencies, it would be harder to control the product life cycle.
Just did a post mentioning it. Great tool.
Absolutely, you can. Some installers hash themselves, checking for changes. But I doubt that is the case here.
That's a good point. I suppose though, with so many things changing in IT and the internet, you would still have to keep it up to date with the changes which would make the previous version obsolete but you could still keep it 'static" and able to be used on any OS. Never heard of GO before. Is it a programming language?
That's what happened the first time I brought it into HxD. I edited the UPDATE value and re-saved it but it no longer had the Java icon and when I tried to run it I got an error message that the file was corrupt. Probably due to HxD saving it exactly as you see it on the screen. That's why I will try the disk editor. Sneak in and sneak out. HxD will give me the position in the file where that value is located and with that I should be able to go to that point in the file and make that change. I like outwitting these smarty pants apps. Usually I'm successful but not always....we'll see.
I was really surprised when Norton did that. Actually that's some pretty clever programming. Never seen an app do that before. Usually they will issue a warning message that they couldn't load some file and the OS just carries on as usual. That was what I was hoping so that I didn't have to disturb anything.
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19 hours ago, awkduck said:
Something else may be conflicting with it. I initially thought KernelEx was a possibility, since setting compatibility on the initial EXE installer wouldn't matter. Maybe MSI execution continues under default KernelEx settings. But you've tried with KernelEx disabled, so no dice.
I've been thinking along similar lines also. I have this suspicion that it might be Norton Utilities. It has several monitors going during a session that intercept files when they are deleted and protects them (Norton Protection). I guess it's possible that it somehow interferes with these 2 installs. So Last night I renamed the Norton Utilities folder and you'll never guess what it did on restart. It changed the registry entry to point to the newly re-named folder. Pretty sneaky Huh? I guess the only way to test that suspicion is to uninstall it.
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18 hours ago, awkduck said:
If you go far enough, then you'd have to deal with all the different hardware variations. The JAVA, write once and run everywhere, idea was cool. But I'd hate to use a modern web browser, written in JAVA.
Eventually, most people's idea of an OS will interface through a scripted client/server GUI environment. Our devices will be nothing but kiosks. Getting a new OS, will be upgrading your "OS as a Service" package.
So, ironically, well be hoping our kiosk-ish devices are compatible with the service. A reversal. Needing the right browser, to access your OS; rather then the right OS to use access your browser.
Note: A kiosk does have an OS. But in this situation, its more akin to soft firmware.
This is the only way a Metaverse could work. You can't fluidly go from device to device, each one loading everything up. Nor would you want to walk around, with augmented glasses etc., connected to some large GPU/CPU and storage media. From your bathroom > living room > sidewalk > car, the stream is just re-initiated where you left off. Until B.C.I.s become popular. Then it would be just one stream, that follows you around.
I'm not looking forward to it, but one day it will be difficult connecting these devices/OSs to the Internet. Perhaps illegal. A device with user guided processing, on this side of the cloud, may be considered insecure. You can imagine, it would much easier to secure the Internet/Metaverse "from bad actors" if everyone only has direct access to the input side of things. We are nearing that, with smart phones. They are powerful computers, with well curated portals to apply that power.
The browsers we know, will be (are being) reinvented between retro group hobbyists. Kinda like how the 8/16bit retro scene still comes out with new browsers. Hackaday has a retro webpage, for old machines on the Internet. That's gonna be us one day
Sooner, if you've went to check that link, in your Win9x browser.
I didn't mean written in Java. Whatever language is used for such a thing. A good example of a stand alone app is Sun Microsystems StarOffice 5.2. It's the equivalent of MS Office. It's 186MB in size and is composed of 2,125 files. It uses no Windows OS files and doesn't even make 1 registry entry. It uses the old style cfg and ini files for that. It also includes Adabas which is an SQL language similar to the other SQL languages (Access for instance). I have it on all 3 of my OS's: 98SE, ME and XP Pro SP3. It came bundled with my computer when I bought it. You just unzip the file and copy it over to the root directory. I think you might be able to find it out there as a free download now. It runs on any Windows OS.
Just out of curiosity, I loaded the Java 5 update 22 into HxD last night. HxD is a hex editor that's a free download. I've used it for years to examine files. You can view and edit any file on any device including the BIOS ROM on the motherboard. Anyway I saw where the Java update looks at version.dll to get the version of the OS, the website link it wants to go to for the update (https://java.com/update/jre1.0.5_22), and the variable GET_UPDATE=1. I think I can use my disk editor to change the value of that variable to zero (0), or maybe just copy the version.dll over from ME and let it think it's on Millennium and see what happens.
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13 minutes ago, justacruzr2 said:
You know...that's exactly what I was thinking. Everything else I've installed has had no problems including all the 3rd party apps I've installed which are the same as what's on ME. These 2 things have been the only difficulty. And what is curiously interesting is that these are both German applications (anything AG or GmBH is of German origin). Please no one take that the wrong way. I just mean that they might have a different way of coding over there. Java and Nero are the only ones I've seen that use that unusual install menu.
Also, this is the Nero 7 that comes bundled with a new CD/DVD drive (the NOT FOR RESALE version). I did find some install options/switches yesterday on the ITPro website and I copied them into a Notepad file. But they were talking about deploying it in a company network setting so I'm not sure if that Nero 7 is different than mine and whether those install options will work with the version I have. But it's worth a try. As for the MSI, it is the correct version (I think it's 2.0.2600.2) and the same one as ME but this is the first app so far that has used it. You might be right about corruption (broken?). Sorry, I take that back. The Jave 5 Update 7 did use it so I would guess it's OK.
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4 hours ago, awkduck said:
It might just be a re-occurrence, of the Java issue. I bet there is a file "Nero.msi". I don't know this is certain, for your case.
I downloaded a Nero7 and extracted the contents (7-zip), to find that it uses the "Windows Installer".
It could be that you are installing edge 98se supported software, were configuration for older systems may have lacked attention. Or, maybe something is wrong with the system's "Windows Installer". Again, as of now, neither is certain
It may be it a bit extreme, but you could modify the MSI to function the same on 98se, as it does on newer systems. No guarantee that will work. Also, as mentioned in the Java thread, you could make a portable application.
If it is "Specifically" Win98se causing the problem, then its probably the "Windows Installer" (broken?). Historically, newer software is written less and less compatible, towards older systems. To the eager new shinny application user, if the application failed to load, it was obviously the old version of Windows at fault.
Ah, the cycle of replacement. How it drains the poor and ignorant, while blessing the cunning and wealthy. Don't take me too seriously here. I'm just over dramatizing the reality of commercial progress. Buy it, you need it. Buy it again, you need it again. We are the ones using the technology, right? Its not the other way around? All my drama, and we'll find out it was a bad harddisk. I actually thought about comparing Java installer file hashes. But I doubt the harddisk is the problem.
You know...that's exactly what I was thinking. Everything else I've installed has had no problems including all the 3rd party apps I've installed which are the same as what's on ME. These 2 things have been the only difficulty. And what is curiously interesting is that these are both German applications (anything AG or GmBH is of German origin). Please no one take that the wrong way. I just mean that they might have a different way of coding over there. Java and Nero are the only ones I've seen that use that unusual install menu.
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11 hours ago, schwups said:
Do you have an old Nero installation on your 98SE (an update or a fresh install)?
No. This is a fresh install of 98se with all the official MS updates installed. Nero has never been on it yet.
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1 hour ago, schwups said:
Firefox 3.6.xx doesn't even support 1.2 and has expired certificates. You need at least TLS 1.2 support.
Solutions provided by Roytam:
http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/
- Retrozilla (rzbrowser-tls12-20221208.7z)
- K-Meleon 1.5.4 TLS1.2 (K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.tls12.20200131.7z)With old KernelEX 4.5.2:
- Firefox 3.6.28 (fx36vc71-20171108_newnss.20200426.7z)
- new nss files for Firefox 8-10 (Firefox8-new-nss.20200301.7z and Firefox10-new-nss.20200229.7z =>simply replace the original nss files by the new.....
or try Opera 12.02 - TLS1.2 have to be enabled.
Note that such old browsers only display today's websites in a very limited way or can crash/freeze with Javascript enabled and the pages are often not (fully) functional.
- seems rather visionary
Thanks. I just downloaded the nss files from the first link you provided. I have tried FF 8 and 10. Without the updated nss files they are pretty much the same as 3 except the bookmarks don't work (well known problem). I really didn't like that. Sometime in the future I will try one of those other browsers you mention. Actually been meaning to read the various discussions here about browsing in the here and now (2023) with the old 9x OS's.
I guess it is visionary but it is true. That's what ties browsers to certain OS'S. They are taking advantage of the already written routines that come with Windows. I don't blame them. It saves them time writing the code. Guess I would probably do the same. Who knows. Maybe some ambitious programmer will have mercy on us.
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On 2/6/2023 at 3:21 PM, awkduck said:
@justacruzr2 Do you by chance have 1.5.0_06 already installed? It is weird that it wants a prior Java version XML file.
If so, you could uninstall it. Then try to install via the update 22 file.
You might also try the AUTO_UPDATE=DISABLE argument. Maybe even the STATIC=1 argument.
Hey Awduck, must have missed this reply. No I don't have Java 5 update 6 installed but I think I know where it came from. The jrestub I had saved was for Java 5 Update 6. I did try the STATIC argument but that didn't work. Didn't know about the AUTO_UPDATE=DISABLE argument. I'll try that. Didn't see that one one the JAVA documentation archive.
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This is the other problem I'm having with 98SE (aside from the Java thing). Nero 7 installs but it installs everything. All I want is Nero Express (the burner) and Nero Cover Designer. I remember that early in the install you are given the choice of which features to install. It gave me the options when I installed it in ME and just last summer it did the same in XP. But now I'm not getting the option menu in 98SE. Anyone know what's going on? Boy is 98SE fussy.
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On 2/9/2023 at 10:20 PM, awkduck said:
Progress is progress. Thanks, for the update.
That idea didn't work either. Not yours, mine. Didn't matter that there was a previous version installed. Also tried to go online and do the online update instead. That didn't work since Firefox 3.6.23 is out of date. It does go to Google but most websites I try to go to I get the FF error message problem loading page - no cypher overlap. Wish someone would make a stand alone browser. One that doesn't depend on Windows OS files. Sure it's more work but it would work on any OS, except maybe the oldest one.
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18 hours ago, awkduck said:
@justacruzr2 One other thing you could try, is installing it in safe mode. I've had to do that once.
Alternatively, you could uninstall it on ME. Then export your ME registry to something like "B4.REG". Download a new-ish Regshot and 9x usable Windiff. If the version of Regshot is too old, I'm not sure that it records file changes; which "here" is the only reason for using it. Run Regshot, and take your first shot. Install Jre 5 22 again. Take your second shot and then export your registry a second time to something like "AF.REG". Then you are going to compare the two shots and reg files. With the Regshot comparison, only note the new files; the registry list is not REGEDIT4 formatted. Now run Windiff:
WINDIFF.EXE -FRX JAVAIN.REG B4.REG AF.REGThe order of files listed "IS" important.
You'll need to open JAVEIN.REG in Windows Write. At the top and bottom of the file, there are lines starting with "--". They are from Windiff, and can be cut out. At the top of the file, add a line "REGEDIT4". The click "Edit > Replace". In "Find What" type " !> ", without the quotations and including the spaces. Then click "Replace All" and save the file. This is optional, copy the file to "JAVAUN.REG". Edit it and delete everything in "JAVAUN.REG", that that isn't in between square brackets "[]"; also leaving REGEDIT4 at the top. Run replace again, this time with "[" in "Find What" and "[-" in "Replace With". Save the file.
Now you can copy the "new" files, listed in the Regshot compare, and the two JAVA*REG files to Win98. Make sure you copy things to the same place, as on ME. Finally, double click on JAVAIN.REG.
At this point, you should be able to use "Add and Remove Programs" to uninstall Java. But you could delete JAVA's uninstall folder, and just use JAVAUN.REG; deleting the copied files afterwards.
A note, you don't need everything in the JAVAIN.REG file. Some keys, especially at the end, are not needed. I imagine you already know this. But I'm adding it for the sake of other readers.
Thanks. I'll try this. But first a bit of good news. The Java 5 update 7 installed perfectly fine. So what I'm going to do first is see if the update 22 will install now that there is a previous version on the system. If not I will try your idea. I'll let you know.
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4 hours ago, schwups said:
I realised that this Java folder - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Java\ - can also cause problems. Rename or delete this folder.
And look for msi, jusched and java log files in the Windows temp folder.Have nothing Java related in Common Files yet. Seems that 98 wants to put its data in Windows\Local Settings. I realize this seems more like XP but MS might have been doing that in 98. I also remember that folder being created in ME once. I moved the data to Windows\Application Data and adjusted the registry entry to point to that directory instead. As for "And look for msi, jusched and java log files in the Windows temp folder." the install hasn't created anything in the Temp folder. It fails before it does much of anything. And the only thing in the registryJava related are the entries for the Java that comes with 98 and ME.
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18 hours ago, awkduck said:
There always seems to be something.
Once removed a network card driver and, on reboot, Windows wouldn't load. Turns out the firewall software was tied to it, with its own driver.
On another machine, I lose USB if I install Scitech Display Doctor or Scitech Snap Display drivers. If you don't realize the chain of events, right away, it can take a while to figure things out.
Yep. Well that idea (autoexec.bat) didn't work. And it never produced a log file. Must not have gone far enough along to put anything useful in it. I did go to Oracle's java documentation archive and tried to use one of the switches they mention. STATIC=1 . What that does is prevent an older version of java from being overwritten by the new install in case older software requires the use of that previous version. I have no older version on there but I thought I would give that a try. Didn't help. The only Java that exists on 98se right now is the original Java that comes with Windows 98 and ME (which is Sun Java anyway) the \Windows\Java\classes, packages and trustlib one. Don't think that would do anything since it still exists in my ME installation after installing jre_1_0_5_22. I am going to try a slightly earlier version that was suggested above. The jre_1_5_0_7 version. I see that it doesn't use the windows msi installer but the Intel installer. Maybe I'll have better luck with that. Let you know tomorrow.
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1 hour ago, awkduck said:
It's worth a shot. It is hard to deny, the issue is machine/environment specific.
If this installer supports it, you could have it create a log file:
/L C:\<path>setup.log
Just add that at the end. Perhaps it would log why it is deciding to do what it is doing.
Great idea. Didn't know about that switch. And I agree, seems that everyone else can install it but me. I would figure that an install would look at either the Install or Uninstall key in the registry to see whether it's installed yet....not the autoexec.bat file but I have seen some unusual ways of doing things. Let you know tomorrow.
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16 minutes ago, schwups said:
Odd path - not standard - Local Settings is a XP folder
I think it should be on ME/98: C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Sun\Java
It really does put it in Windows\Local Settings\Sun\Java. And it's not the only app that has put it's settings in that folder. And I had the same thought too since I also have XP on this computer. There is one other thing that I thought of. When I installed Quick Time, it modified the Autoexec.bat file with 2 lines. I don't remember the exact entry but it was something like Set CLASSPATH= then the path to QTJava and set JAVA= something I don't remember. Since I knew that I was going to be installing and using Sun Java, I deleted those lines and copied over from ME's Autoexec.batr file the lines that Sun Java will put there. Now I wonder if Sun Java looks at the bat file and thinks it's already installed and that I am looking for any updates to Sun Java. I guess it's worth a try to just delete those lines out of the bat file tonight and retry the install. Any thought about that?
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17 hours ago, awkduck said:
That is a good point, for anyone using KernelEx.
I've now tested with connection. The install was still fine.
There is an XML file, in my test install. "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_22\libs\servicetag\registration.xml".
Could be that the file it is looking for is the template.
So how far into the installation do you get? Does it even start copying files?
Yes I have the same file in my ME installation. That was done 14 years ago when Sun probably still had that location available. See above replies for more info. And like I said above "The only thing that does happen before the install terminates is that it makes a folder in Windows\Local Settings\Java\jre5\ with 2 files in it. One is the msi. I have tried running that msi but it just does the same thing. BTW, I did try Java 6 update 31 last night but it does the same thing as all the others."
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From your screen shots it looks as if it's from XP. Have you tried this update on a 9x OS?
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How often does this happen?
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How often does this happen? For me, 2 times in the past 20 years.