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Good lord...minutes!? It goes through in 7 seconds here, both St52 and Mypal 68. 360Chrome is through in 5 seconds. My Xperia E3 takes almost 40 seconds though, it's on Chromium 118 engine. You guys really do browse the web with computers that are equivalent of putting a Ford Model T on a modern highway...

Installing version 119.0.6045.192 in C:\Program Files, there's an extra step with the new installer, have to unpack it and invoke mini_installer.exe with --system-level command-line argument. I would assume there shouldn't be an extra step (unpacking) required and provided installer file should be able to pass the command-line argument to mini_installer.exe?

The differences are smaller with default Windows theme, but if you use a custom theme, you'll get the titlebar from theme, not stock Windows 10 look-alike. This is with accent color enabled on the titlebars, stock Windows theme: Above pictures are of active/focused window, but the titlebar is fully white with the flag when window is inactive while it's more greyish without the flag. Without the flag, Chromium is overriding and trying to emulate the titlebar the way Windows' compositor draws it on its own. Another picture with official Aero Lite theme, though it can't be set through GUI AFAIK, it's Microsoft signed theme, so doesn't require SecureUxTheme or the like. The one without the flag would be similar to the very first picture above + thicker borders. Well, "thicker" probably, if I remember correctly, they're just invisible with default theme, though in Windows 11 for instance, last time I checked, they're invisible even if theme has them. Bloody Microsoft, man!

I had a feeling that there'll be another reason for not starting, though no guarantee there won't be another obstacle in attempting to re-enable it. Administrators normally don't have permission to change this service's configuration through the APIs that sc and 3rd party utilities use, but its service registry key might be accessible to administrators, so if you don't mind a reboot after changing settings, you may open Registry Editor (regedit.exe) and navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\wscsvc, where you set Start to 2 and DelayedAutostart to 1, at least those are the defaults. The other method that can be used and will get the changes applied right away is through System Informer. There's only nightly build, but unless you're heavily involved with the program, you shouldn't notice anything off. If one's familiar with Process Hacker, which is basically its predecessor, one should have known "stable" build really means old build lacking many features developed over time. When you install it, you have to launch it as TrustedInstaller, so launch it normally as administrator first, then in the menu, choose System->Run..., type in C:\Program Files\SystemInformer\SystemInformer.exe and tick Create this task with TrustedInstaller privileges. Another instance of the program will open, where you can open Services tab, double click wscsvc in the list, change Start type to Auto start and enable Delayed start and save with OK. While some people shun the suggestion to reinstall, they tend to underestimate how borked things can get. The problem in this thread is hopefully on the easier (more obvious side). But say we focus on registry alone, the amount of data that is there (on top, keys also have owner and permissions, the latter could be explicit or inherited), you can't possibly tell with a naked eye if everything is OK.

I don't remember when I've seen their basic HTML interface the last time, must have been many years ago. The few times I do login there, I've never had problems using Pale Moon for it.

"Google Voice is not supported in your country." or something. So it's not an option for everyone. At least for me, there's just too many little things where the actual phone number comes in handy these days, so getting by without one wouldn't be for me, even though I rarely use it. I was overpaying for it until recently, the old provider just kept increasing data plan volume (gigabytes) and subscription price, which I almost don't need and when I do (mostly paying for petrol, few megabytes a month at most), I figured they have Wi-Fi there, so recently switched to another provider, their cheapest subscription model has zero subscription cost, you pay depending on how much you use, 4 cents per minute/SMS/MMS/megabyte. No idea about plain internet based services, maybe Skype still works on 360Chrome? I don't use any in personal life, used Teams couple of times (work-related, bleh, last time I used it, which was very recently, last month, it updated mid-call and threw me out...).

It was 3.5.1433, I'm sure those patches alone no longer apply.

Private class fields are supported since Chrome 74/Firefox 90/Pale Moon 32.2.0. Yes, they probably updated their CMS, in this case WoltLab Suite Core.

sc qc wscsvc If you run Command Prompt as administrator, type in and run the above command, what does it say? The command queries the service's configuration.

Replying here instead of Mypal topic...yes, it didn't effect me much, that was actually early 2022. Surprised it caught you in 2023, things are difficult enough when you're healthy. Hopefully it will just be a bad memory in a year.

I just prefer to match video resolution with screen resolution, sometimes I go with higher video resolution. I played games a lot back in the day where the difference is greater, unless you have CRT screen or something like that. NVIDIA's DSR feature is useful for quirky older games to get anti-aliasing effect, downscaling 4K to 1080p definitely reduces jaggies. But 4K on YouTube isn't doable on my PC anymore since they no longer offer resolutions above 1080p with h.264 codec and the upgrades of my PC have reached the end of line, if I replace the GPU, it only makes sense to me to replace the motherboard and CPU as well at the minimum, if not also adding more dense screen. Some say (eg. @dmiranda) 360Chrome on XP is fine with 1080p @ 60FPS on YouTube, maybe something to do with single-threaded CPU performance? Well besides what I already mentioned, I noticed fullscreen 1080p video is smoother than fullscreen 720p on that browser on my end, no constant frame drops. Guess it struggles with downscaling as well. While interesting observation, not really an issue for me since I've moved on from XP 14 years ago, almost half-life ago given my age. When did all those years pass by? Regarding that argument, it depends on the individual. Some people don't have or don't want a TV. It's kinda similar to "why play games on a PC instead of a gaming console" IMO. If I lived alone, it would be extremely unlikely for TV to be at my place, even now, it's basically 1 out of 3 people here that "need" a TV. I don't watch enough stuff to justify the need for TV, but I have versatile enough computer so might as well use it for that as well. There can be other reasons, I'm sure there are other households where TV is located somewhere non-private and a more private room might not have enough space to put a TV there. Indeed a good point. But as said before, similarly in this case, there are also folks that get by with just freely accessible videos.

I can't agree with there being no difference. I rarely encounter videos shot with really poor camera, 480p is just blurry unless you're watching on a very small screen or inside a small window. Regarding performance, my default go-to quality is 1080p @ 60 FPS, if available. No Chromium on XP can do that here (lots of frames dropped), Firefox based browser is always preferred. UXP based browsers can play them smoothly, also the ones for XP, though you could get stutters when browser gets "crapped up" from other sites. Though even on Windows 10, Chromium stutters here with 60 FPS (both 720p and 1080p, a bit less with former). Not constantly, but enough for it to be noticeable. Firefox is OK. Interestingly, the stutters are there also with AVC1 codec, which is decodable on my GPU, but I normally just go with VP9 since my CPU can handle it and it's technically more sophisticated codec. Can't say I personally went any great lengths for YouTube, I tried Invidious and Piped, but they have issues when it comes to core functionality regarding playback, so just use few extensions and scripts at most for YouTube itself. Though I have ImprovedTube on Chromium/Firefox, I only changed a very small subset of settings.

Over 90 occurrences on each scan, one searching for float representation of 0.5, one for double representation. Looking for a needle in a haystack. Windows version doesn't matter. Yes, they are thin on Vista and you not seeing it doesn't change that fact. We might interpretate "thin" differently, but either way, they're also like that In Firefox based browsers when explicitly selecting Skia backend, which is fortunately not default. Though the alternatives for Direct2D backend on Windows versions before 7 still suck in my eyes, Not a problem for me since I'm on 10 anyway and downgrading to anything older than that would bring more problems than it would solve. I use Chrome Super Font Enhancer on non-Edge Chromium browsers, the picture on that page demonstrates the difference. The default font rendering hurts my eyes with prolonged reading.

Has the exact opposite effect here, CPU usage is consistently higher with the script enabled.

Quotes shouldn't break anything in this case, though I guess generally in software they're strictly needed if to-be-quoted string has (or could have) (white)space characters as those could be interpreted as separators of whatever arguments you're passing. In this case, I think it can be safely assumed they won't come up with a feature name with a space in it. Chromium doesn't use quotes when passing certain arguments similar in syntax like --enable-features among its processes, eg. --field-trial-handle=1956,i,12723921000856444030,14158919512122076707,262144. In other cases where quotes are needed, it seems to quote the entire argument, eg. "--database=C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Chromium\User Data\Crashpad". I think it's not something to make a fuss about.

BTW, the user agent override looks redundant.

I reproduced http://www.quakejs.com/ issue on Windows 10 VM in both Supermium and Ungoogled Chromium, it has to do with my inconsistent DNS config across different OS installs as it doesn't happen on my main Win10 install, I often connect through the phone connected to home network wirelessly and there I have phone's IP (the one exposed when USB tethering is enabled) entered manually as DNS rather than target DNS directly. VM was using AdGuard DNS IPs directly. No DNS over HTTPS here, the explanation is on below link, some DNS record was forcing redirect to HTTPS, but that site is only HTTP and trying HTTPS on it redirects back to HTTP: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73230856/307-internal-redirect-non-authoritative-reason-dns The current flag to turn off the feature in Chromium to look for those records to redirect to HTTPS is at chrome://flags/#use-dns-https-svcb-alpn. AdGuard's DNS server must have that record for this specific website. BTW, no issue with font decoding in Supermium running on Windows 10. That is correct, the flag comes from IP Domain Country Flag extension.

I think it was already discussed at some point, isn't this browser just one or two versions behind (Chromium version) the one that started supporting Manifest V3 extensions?

Maybe I exaggerated with barely works, most of the browser probably does work OK, I'm just curious about the fun stuff. It was Supermium 118.0.5991.0. There could be an extra step needed that was maybe buried in some thread on the forum since nobody mentioned the font issue here, but I basically started with Vista SP2 patched with all up-to EOL updates, then added KB4474419 cumulative update, the one for Server 2008, then vistaexkernsetup_03092023.7z. With that setup, it complained about mfplat.dll in chrome://gpu, so installed mfplatsetup.7z as well, just in case.

This browser doesn't even know about MV3 extensions so they (MV2 ones) should continue to work I think. Presumably the older ones may continue to be available on https://www.crx4chrome.com/, at least those that are there now. But I have a feeling y'all forget about old MV2 extensions the same way you've forgotten about 360Chrome 11.

XP? It barely runs on Vista. Downloadable fonts don't seem to work here, I get errors about browser being unable to decode them. Counter-Strike's UI looks really funny, letters or squares instead of icons/images. Also observable on this very forum. That and the extended kernel broke 360Chrome 13.5, GPU acceleration is non-functional there (GPU process crashes) and almost all extension processes crash on startup. Though the best Supermium manages is WebGL 1 (2 is non-functional) through ANGLE, only D3D9 (like 360Chrome without extended kernel), native OpenGL can be forced, but slow due to some DXGI function failure, so practically useless. Haven't experimented with NVIDIA drivers beyond the official 368.81. Vista's D3D11 always seemed more bare-bones to me compared to more feature complete implementation in Windows 7+. Edit: Right, forgot there was trouble installing extensions first time around, some error to do with trust, didn't note it down...I guess the kernel extension crapped out, was trying out COD:MW Remastered before (without DRM, normally runs on Win7+), the browser started accepting extensions after reboot. But the strangest problem I've encountered, http://www.quakejs.com/ doesn't load, ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS, even with clean profile.

This topic drifted off discussing Supermium, which I haven't mentioned specifically, but I didn't deraiI the topic, just joined in. But folks here like to throw in other Chromiums into the mix. Anyway, I was referring to the one hosted on http://xpchrome.com/, only later https://github.com/weolar/xpchrome was brought into the mix. The one from first link certainly can't launch on Windows 7 and earlier since DiscardVirtualMemory is referenced directly in chrome.dll's import table. Not sure about Windows 8.1, is there an update that adds DiscardVirtualMemory? I only ever run Windows 8.1 that didn't have it, though MS documentation says it's supposed to have it, I only ever saw it in Windows 10 and comments in Chromium's source code say the function is buggy in older builds of Windows 10. But actual XP compatible Chromium 115 on the second link, that's new. I wonder if it keeps screen from going off while watching videos or using Screen Wake Lock API. Older builds of 360Chrome 13.5 couldn't do that (on XP), not sure if anyone paid attention to that in newest build.

No, but peview.exe bundled with System Informer/Process Hacker.

I don't see it that way, it says in their name, "web" extensions. You can't expect "web" extension to change the "browser" since they naturally target mostly (with some exceptions) web pages.

@seven4ever I can't say I notice a difference between Linux and Windows when it comes to general surfing these days, so if I just look at load times. I do remember about 10 years ago on this 2009 desktop, which had an older GPU back then (which drivers sucked for gaming on Linux), Firefox was noticeably more fluent on Linux than on Windows 7. Web was much simpler back then. Things start to differ these days when you start looking at WebGL/video decoding and such, very dependent on GPU drivers. I'd still go Linux route if I had the problem with newer Windows rather than mess with h@lf-a$$ed Chromium backports. You even have working native Widevine on Linux these days for DRM streams, which wasn't the case years ago. While I can live without Widevine, I'm the only one in my family who can. But I also don't have any attachment to legacy Windows either. Just looking at chrome.dll in PE Viewer, no effort was done even for Windows 7 compatibility, imports DiscardVirtualMemory like official Chromium. So, nothing to see here.