[Geforce 6/7 and 8 AGP/PCI-E Driver Edition for Win98/ME by Zak!]

On 3/27/2024 at 3:41 PM, Dixel said:

Yes, absolutely fine, I also did that BIOS mod by reflashing to 3700. There was (still is?) a ready made BIOS file from the original Quadro card circulating the internet.

I think YOU got confused here (not me!) thinking I wanted to flash card.. I was asking if the FX3700 being equivalent to 8800 GT would work in Win98 with the modded drivers. After all this thread IS about Win98. I said ALSO work with Win2k & XP... ALSO matters... read the words.   And despite your "Wow! Think thrice before helping someone." pathetic comment  I have NOT blamed you. I just expressed the confusion between you apparently saying Win98 would work (you were not, you were talking about flashi g!!) and the other poster saying it won't despite the thread saying it will.

 

I'm a big boy and dont care if I wasted 20 bucks on a hobby. But please, "think thrice" about confusing the issues!

[Geforce 6/7 and 8 AGP/PCI-E Driver Edition for Win98/ME by Zak!]

On 3/27/2024 at 3:41 PM, Dixel said:

Yes, absolutely fine, I also did that BIOS mod by reflashing to 3700. There was (still is?) a ready made BIOS file from the original Quadro card circulating the internet.

 

On 4/3/2024 at 1:48 AM, MrMateczko said:

8000/9000 series and newer DO NOT work on Win9x. Period.

7000 series is latest GeForce line that works on Win9x.

I have no idea why the "support" for them was added all these years ago even though no-one reported them working.

I even mentioned it in this thread back in 2017:

This lie is really bothersome for me and for other people who actually know their Win9x stuff...

 

So what @Dixel said is wrong?  I've spent the money now but if Dixel can confirm... and if you are sure these DONT work then surely a Mod should fix the damn thread so nobody else wastes money buying them??

[Geforce 6/7 and 8 AGP/PCI-E Driver Edition for Win98/ME by Zak!]

19 hours ago, Saxon said:

8800 GT to flash Quadro FX 3700

https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/134631-8800-gt-to-quadro-fx-3700/

LOL... I was considering flashing to 8800GT from 3700 (just bought a 3700 on eBay) for the higher clocks but probably better just take the 3700 and BIOS mod for the overclock if the FX3700 works in MacOS as is.... its also compatible with AROS (Amiga-like OS)

[Geforce 6/7 and 8 AGP/PCI-E Driver Edition for Win98/ME by Zak!]

3 hours ago, Dixel said:

On the other hand, FX 1700 is a direct copy of a very common 8600GS. I personally reflashed it in 2007. GT version should have a different VRAM though.

So maybe a good BIOS for 1800 exists. If flashed properly, not drivers editing would be needed. I'm still afraid the 9 series is too new.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-8600-gs.c1767

FX3700 = 8800 GT so would be fine?    Also would serve multi purpose as could use it for 2K, XP and old Hackintosh OS from 10.5 Leopard thru to 10.13 High Sierra in my KVM host with PCIE passthru

[Geforce 6/7 and 8 AGP/PCI-E Driver Edition for Win98/ME by Zak!]

8 and 9 series are both Tesla so would these work on 9 series cards (a Quadro FX 1800 is very similar to a GF 9600 GT) ?? Or do they need INF edits?

[[VESA]UniGFX Graphics Driver]

Thanks @Dibya for the reply.   

 

 @jaclaz I'm a native English speaker and your reply to me came across as a bit clumsy and rude to Dibya. I get your point but IMHO there are nicer ways to say it    BUT I don't have any interest in an argument over it

[[VESA]UniGFX Graphics Driver]

@Dibya  came here via Google hoping for some clever solution... Did you dump project?

[Geforce 6/7 and 8 AGP/PCI-E Driver Edition for Win98/ME by Zak!]

Can someone re-share these please? Links dead                Thanks

[USB 3.0 and W2k]

Thread is people wanting USB 3.0 controllers working under W2K with USB 3.0 speeds... do they ALL work under W2K as USB 2.0 controllers? All I need is a USB 2.0 controller under W2K (I'm doing virtualisation passthrough and only have USB 3.0 controllers - AMD onboard - I might have a Renesas/NEC controller SOMEWHERE!!)

[Advice for C2D W98 (also 2K/XP) Build Planning]

THANKS.... This really helps with the partition planning. I wasn't aware you could install 2K/XP on non primary partitions but I now know so (I probably forgot, it was 20 odd years ago I last used 2000!). But the Primary partition is still the boot partition and your 2X or XP drive will be drive D or E then? Or can I hide 2k/XP etc from 98 and hide 98/XP from 2K etc? - Your post seems to say I can ;) 

 FYI, this guy reports no issues booting all 3 on same partition (although I take your point about partition sizes - didn't know, just assumed if 98 will be happy with C as 128Gb then 2k/XP will be)

I know AROS installs Grub so happy to use that. Grub can do all the hiding of other partitions yes?

In summary then is this feasible (install order same also)

Primary FAT32 (8Gb prob) with Win98, and boot files for 2K/XP/7/10? How big can I go?

Rest of SSD as Extended 

Vol for Sharing (100-odd GB) - FAT32 I guess

Vol for 2K (5GB)

Vol for XP (10GB)

Vol for 7 (30GB)

Vol for 10 (40GB)

Vol for AROS (8GB) which installs Grub - https://aros.sourceforge.io/documentation/users/installation.php#installing-aros-along-with-windows-r-dos-r 

[Advice for C2D W98 (also 2K/XP) Build Planning]

Hi, appreciate some comments/input please guys n gals!

I have some C2D kit and want to use it for retro OS use (not just one). I suspect W98 will be the "harder" but wanted to check some plans before I do stuff to only have to re-do it for lack of planning

I have:
Gigabyte G33M-S2 (onboard RTL8111 LAN, USB) with 4Gb DDR2 Ram, a selection of CPUs inc Pentium Dual Core, Core2Duo, Core2Quad and Xeon 771 Quad ;-)
Geforce 7600 GS 256Mb single slot (also have a GT740 dual slot)
Soundblaster Live PCI

My intention is to install Win98, Win2K, XP on one FAT32 partition of a 240Gb SSD (probably 20Gb or so), plus Win10, AROS (an Amiga-like OS) and maybe a FAT32 sharing partition.

BIOS settings - I'd prefer to use AHCI (so Rloew's patch presumably). I want USB 2.0 enabled. Any gotchas?

So first question is around partitioning. I understand W98 has a 128Gb limit but does that matter if I use the first 20-30Gb for its partition? Also I assume due to having an SSD I need to format on a modern OS to ensure partition alignment (W10 or Linux - does it matter?)

Random question but does anyone know of a list of Win98 exclusive games or Win2K exclusives? Otherwise I might as well run those in XP.

I have a better GT740 spare which is supported in 2000/XP but what would the result in 98 or 98-DOS be - would that make those unusable or would they, like in some retro OS like Amithlon, use the VESA mode and would work and the overall speed boost would compensate for lack of proper drivers? I could fit the GT740 in main PCIE slot (blocks one PCI), SB in PCI and 7600GS in 4x PCIe Slot so have both on hand.

Bootloaders - all 3 on 1 partition does work (saw a nice YT video) and AROS installs GRUB, that would boot all OS. Any gotchas to worry about?

Installing 98 - any recommended process? I have spare IDE & SATA DVD drives, USB DVD & pen drives. My list of Rudy Loew's patches to apply is likely

● SATA support for Windows 9x
● >4GB RAM support for Windows 9x
● AHCI CD DOS Driver
● AHCI for Windows 9x
● PTCHCDFS - To correct displayed size of DVDs on Windows 9x
● >4GB file support for Windows 9x
● 48 bit LBA support for Windows 9x (HDD up to 2 TB)
● Windows Driver Model (WDM) API Extender

PLUS I will need LoneCrusader's INF files for the mobo

Given I'd like AHCI and more than 1Gb Ram etc so need patches what's the best process for installation? Format partition to FAT32 on modern machine (as earlier) and copy files to partition ready for install (but they how do I format it as DOS compatible to boot up before installing W98) or do i need a 2nd FAT32 partition?! Some advice as to best process would be great!

[Modern motherboards which are working with Windows 98 (discussion)]

10 hours ago, Carlos S. M. said:

Sorry for the late reply, i'm not very active here

LoneCrusader's Intel INFs package for chipset

NUSB for USB

LAN, i used Realtek PCIe Win98 drivers for my board (GA-EP41-UD3L)

Nvidia - either 82.69 or 81.98 + inf edit

Thanks.. I'm also same LAN chipset ;-)   And Onboard USB works? If so then all i need add is my SB Live...  My 7600 will run with either driver set :-D

[Modern motherboards which are working with Windows 98 (discussion)]

On 5/27/2020 at 1:16 AM, Carlos S. M. said:

I recently got Windows 98 SE installed and working on a Gigabyte GA-EP41-UD3L (Intel G41, ICH7)

Specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
4 GB DDR2 800
nVidia Geforce 7800 GTX with modded nvidia 81.98
120 GB HDD
Realtek 8111C/D (works)

Realtek ALC888 (doesn't work)

pic: https://imgur.com/a/OJZf7Yk

 

Carlos isn't a regular here to reply to PMs.

Does anyone know what chipset drivers are needed for P41/G41/G31 chipset family for Win98 and if they allow USB to work also? I have a G33M-S2 (PCIE + 2 PCI slots) so GF-7600 PCIE plus SB Live and either PCI LAN or PCI USB card?

[Win2K Fully Patched ISO ?]

Thanks @cov3rt and @win32 for the advice. I think I am gonna pass for now...  Tried installing XP on a Core2Duo box and had so much hassle I thought I'd nLite an XP with unattended setup... and found nLite hates running on Win10 and it so much hassle. Maybe if I find some patched XP and 2K on some warez site I might install but for now my "retro" OS is gonna be Win7 LOL!

[Win2K Fully Patched ISO ?]

Just mentioning for the record I have my original hologram style Win2K CD still but not used Win2K for MANY years. I used to mess with nLite for XP a lot building custom unattended setups etc.  Now thinking to have a play again with Win2K and KernelEx etc but there are TOO many options and patches to install!

Obviously we'd want to start with an SP4 ISO but I am somewhat surprised we don't have a single (or a few) sources of packs that can be integrated with nLite or similar to build a fully patched ISO. Watched some videos and people are installing pages of patches after SP4 install. I suspect many people who want to run W2K will use multicore CPUs now so thread on that topic is relevant.

Just wondering if anyone has done a nice Wiki page or a guide post as to how to assemble that "perfect" ISO ?? I'd do it myself but I really don't feel I have a clue these days....

 

[GPU Priority]

Thanks guys

I have KVMs and I have monitors with multiple inputs. Given I expect to boot into XP 90% of time and Win98/DOS only 10%, I would be happy to use monitor to switch when needed. So, just set BIOS priority to PCI and disable device not needed in XP.

@Goodmaneuver your post had me wondering.. is there a reason why I should bother with PCI FX5200 when surely a PCIe card with 10x (or more) performance of that card would be sufficiently quick to make the difference even with a VESA or Std Driver?  Do I need an FX5200 for DOS or would a modern (RX570 for example) blow it out of water? 

[GPU Priority]

How does it work? ;-)  

 

Seriously though, if i have a machine with 2 GPUs, one PCIe for XP and one PCI for 98.

If I boot into 98 how do I stop 98 seeing a GPU it cannot use (the PCIe one has no drivers)? 

If I boot into XP how do I ensure it uses the better PCIe GPU.

 

I am sure I have seen something here about it but I cannot find the right search terms to find the thread.

[RLoew (1952 - 2019) has passed away.]

On 10/22/2019 at 3:54 AM, LoneCrusader said:

I have also added a couple of small projects that we had worked on that were never released. I'm dreading the writeup on WDMEX when the time comes, lol.

 

I didnt know Rudy but I can certainly see (returning here after some years away) that he did a helluva lot towards this community and helping extend the life and usability of older OS's.

 

I found the quoted post when looking for WDMEX guidance. I confess the Readme.txt didnt help me a lot. The TLDR suggests WDMEX helps use 2k/XP drivers on 98 ... Would that allow me to run a more modern GPU for 98?? I can find XP drivers for a Radeon HD4850 which is about 10 years too new on 98's scale so would be great to be able to use that for a range of OS's

[OldNewExplorer 1.1.9]

Thank you for just what I was looking for... I should visit MSFN more often!

[Turn off "Open File - Security Warning"]

Didnt work for me with IE8 installed.. anyone else?

[Windows Firewall problem with nLite ?]

Thanks, I was beginning to think I'd have better gone back to my SP2 original.

Coincidentally I noticed a WMI issue in the Event Log even when I had re-added the WF/ICS service back.

So, back to SP2, then SP3 integrate and OnePiece pack. Can I do that in one session or separate only?

[Windows Firewall problem with nLite ?]

;# Directories #

DOCS

ETH0 <--- And what's this folder? Not the Eth0 XP pirated versions?

SUPPORT

VALUEADD

Yes, your point is? I choose to use that rather than use my SP2 original as it came with SP3 pre-integrated. Just saved time. No problem.

Now, do you have something constructive to add to solving the problem?

[Windows Firewall problem with nLite ?]

I can fix the missing Firewall by this script but I should not need to really....

net stop winmgmt

rd /s /q %systemroot%\system32\wbem\Repository

rundll32.exe setupapi,InstallHinfSection WBEM 132 %windir%\inf\wbemoc.inf

net start winmgmt

for /r %%i in (%systemroot%\system32\wbem\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s "%%i"

for /r %%i in (%systemroot%\system32\wbem\*.exe) do "%%i" /regserver

winmgmt /clearadap

winmgmt /kill

winmgmt /unregserver

winmgmt /regserver

winmgmt /resyncperf

[Windows Firewall problem with nLite ?]

Whatever I do I seem to be losing the Windows Firewall. Now that isnt a particular problem in that I have a Firewall in my router but it seems that removal of the service prevents some other things working so I have re-done my install CD so many times trying to get to the cause of this and also a strange bug I have where clicking on the Start button can sometimes cause the machine to partially hang until Explorer.exe is restarted.

Any ideas?

My Last Session.ini is below

[Main]

Env = 1.4.9.1 - 2.0.50727.3603.Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3

Target = Windows XP Professional SP3 - 5.1.2600.5512 - English (United States)

[Tasks]

Remove Components

Unattended Setup

Integrate Drivers

Hotfixes and Update Packs

Tweaks

Create a Bootable ISO

Options

[Components]

;# Applications #

Briefcase

ClipBook Viewer

Defragmenter

Games

Internet Games

Pinball

Screensavers

WordPad

;# Drivers #

Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)

Cameras and Camcorders

Display Adapters

Display Adapters (old)

Ethernet (LAN)

IBM PS/2 TrackPoint

IBM ThinkPad

ISDN

Logitech WingMan

Microsoft SideWinder

Modems

Multifunctional

Portable Audio

Printers

Scanners

SCSI/RAID

Serial Pen Tablet

Sony Jog Dial

Sound Controllers

Tape drives

Toshiba DVD decoder card

Wireless Ethernet (WLAN)

;# Hardware Support #

Brother Devices

Gravis Digital GamePort

Iomega Zip drive

Multi-port serial adapters

Ramdisk

Smart Cards

;# Keyboards #

Albanian keyboard

(AND ALL EXCEPT UK English!!)

Zulu

;# Multimedia #

Music Samples

Tablet PC

;# Network #

MSN Explorer

;# Operating System Options #

Manual Install and Upgrade

Tour

;# Directories #

DOCS

ETH0

SUPPORT

VALUEADD

;# Compatibility #

Compat01

Compat02

Compat03

Compat04

Compat06

Compat07

Compat08

Compat09

Compat11

Compat13

Compat14

Compat16

[KeepFiles]

msconfig.exe

[RemoveFiles]

clock.avi

yahoo.bmp

swtchbrd.bmp

[Options]

CABMerge

ClassicSetup

BlackSetupBack

ProfilesDir = "%SystemDrive%\Documents and Settings"

TargetPath = "WINDOWS"

temp_dir = %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temp

AdvTweaks

[Patches]

[services2]

[Tweaks]

Boot and Shutdown-Logon Page-Classic

Boot and Shutdown-Numlock-On

Desktop-Internet Explorer icon-Show

Desktop-My Computer icon-Show

Desktop-My Documents icon-Show

Desktop-My Network Places icon-Show

Desktop-Recycle Bin icon-Show

Explorer-Add 'Command Prompt' to folder context menu

Explorer-Associate additional file types with Notepad

Explorer-Change Windows Explorer folder view-Details

Explorer-Classic Control Panel

Explorer-Disable Prefix: Shortcut to

Explorer-Preset Places Bar to-C:, D:, E:, Desktop, My Network Places

Explorer-Remove Send To on context menu

Explorer-Show Drive Letters in front of Drive Names

Explorer-Show extensions of known file-types

Explorer-Show Map Network Drives buttons in Explorer bar

Explorer-Show Statusbar in all windows

Internet Explorer-Disable Download Complete notification

Internet Explorer-Disable Internet Explorer link creation

Internet Explorer-Disable Market Place bookmark

Internet Explorer-Disable Media Player 6.4 created bookmarks

Internet Explorer-Disable Outlook Express link creation

Internet Explorer-Enable Google URL-Search

Internet Explorer-Keep IE URL-History for-10 Days

Internet Explorer-Set Homepage-www.google.com

Internet Explorer-Set IE-Cache limit to-20 MB

Internet Explorer-Set Internet Explorer to accept 10 connects at a time

Internet Explorer-Set popup-blocker to high

My Computer-Remove Manage from Context Menu

My Computer-Remove Search from Context Menu

My Computer-Remove Shared Documents

Performance-Disable Last accessed Timestamp on files

Performance-Disable Optimize harddisk when idle

Performance-Disable paging of kernel and core-os

Performance-Disable Tracking of Broken Shortcut Links

Performance-Speed-up Access to AVI Media Files

Performance-Use Windows classic folders / No Tasks Sidepanel

Privacy-Remove Alexa

Start Menu-Disable and remove Documents list from the Start Menu

Start Menu-Disable Highlight newly installed programs

Start Menu-Do not use Personalized Menus

Start Menu-Hide Search button in Start Panel

Start Menu-My Computer-Display as a link

Start Menu-My Documents-Display as a link

Start Menu-My Music-Display as a link

Start Menu-My Network Places-Display as a link

Start Menu-My Pictures-Display as a link

Start Menu-Remove Help and Support

Start Menu-Remove Logoff User

Start Menu-Remove Pinned Apps List from Start Panel

Start Menu-Remove Search For People from Search

Start Menu-Remove Search the Internet from Search

Start Menu-Remove Set Program Access and Defaults

Start Menu-Remove User name

Start Menu-Remove Windows Catalog shortcut

Start Menu-Remove Windows Update shortcut

Taskbar-Disable Balloon Tips

Taskbar-Disable Group similar Taskbar buttons

Taskbar-Disable Hide inactive icons

Taskbar-Disable Language-Bar

Taskbar-Lock the Taskbar-No

Windows Media Player-Accept Privacy Statement

Windows Media Player-Disable auto-add music to library

Windows Media Player-Disable starting with Media Guide

Windows Media Player-Optimize fullscreen mode behavior

[unattended]

UnattendMode = 1

ComputerType = Automatic

AutoLogon = Administrator

OOBEOff

CustomLocales

Resolution = 1280x1024

BitsPerPel = 32 bit (True Color)

Vrefresh = 60 Hz

DisableSRestore

MaximumDataStorePercentOfDisk = 12

RestorePointLife = 30

DefaultThemesOff

DefaultStartPanelOff

DesktopTheme = Windows Classic|Windows Classic style|Normal

IISInstall = 2

AutoUpdates = 3

AutoUDay = 5

AutoUHour = 15

AUMinor

ProgFilesPath = "\Program Files"

[DesktopThemes]

C:\WINDOWS\Resources\Themes\Luna.theme

C:\WINDOWS\Resources\Themes\Windows Classic.theme

[NetAdapter1]

connname = ""

macaddress = ""

ipaddress = "192.168.0.1"

subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"

defaultgateway = ""

dnsserver1 = ""

dnsserver2 = ""

winsserver = ""

netbiossetting = "0"

ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"

ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"

[GuiRunOnce]

[Drivers]

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\USB Apple Mobile Device\USBAAPL.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\VGA Radeon (Oct 09)\CX_83739.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Asus ACPI\atk2000.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\TV BGT3540_(Pinnacle 3010ix)\BGT3540_6.0.0.49_32bit\BGTCap.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\SND SB128_Driver\ctpci2K.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Printer Epson R220\E_DF1AIA.INF,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Intel Chipsets\2008s4el.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Wind VGA\igxp32.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\LAN Marvell_Yukon\yk51x86.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Nvidia 9300\SMU\smuc.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Nvidia 9300\SMBUS\nf4sys.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Nvidia 9300\Ethernet\nvenetfd.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Nvidia 9300\Awy\nvawy.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Nvidia 9300\AHCI-SATA\nvgts.inf,BUSDRV

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\HDMI Audio (Nvidia) Asrock\nvhda.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\TV Pinnacle PCTV 2000i\RoyalTS.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Realtek Card Reader\RtsUStor.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\HDMI Audio (ATI)\HDAATI.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Wind WiFi Driver\net8187Se.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Realtek HD Audio\HDA.inf,0

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_My_Drivers\Realtek PCIE LAN\Netrtle.inf,0

[Hotfixes]

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_Addons\01_OnePiece_Windows_XP_Post-SP3_UpdatePack_v2.9.0_ENU.7z

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_Addons\02_ProgramAddons_dtoolsawx.cab

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_Addons\03_xable_Full-Unlocker-v1.8.7_addon.cab

D:\My_Utils\Win Sources\_Addons\04_ELiTE_AddOn_AcroReadLite92030.7z

All drivers are latest available from manufacturers. Likewise the Addons above. I use OnePiece pack for adding WMP11 and .NET 1.1 (although it doesnt seem to install .NET 1.1 at all according to the Javascript response I get when querying in IE8). Apart from the addons above, all other customisation is done by installing via RunOnceEx.cmd (as I was removing addons in case of conflicts).

Any ideas?

[Integration of NVIDIA's nForce RAID and AHCI drivers]

Links down (or at least the one I tried is)

32bit nForce IDE drivers v9.99.09 mod by Fernando (download link) - not working