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Can confirm the new K-Meleon 76 Goana build is working on Vista (as to be expected). Found a similar encoder to Handbrake as well, but the last version to support XP/Vista systems is 3.2.7.1, which at the time of writing is 2 years old.
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I would like to add that Star Trek Online still supports Windows Vista. Both the Arc and Steam version install. (I had some issues updating the launcher with Arc)
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I'd like to add that PotPlayer and Leawo Blu-ray Player still support Vista, and even XP for that mater. I've also tested the Steam version of Planet Explorers (build v1.1) and that too appears to run without error. (ensure you have Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 both x86 and x64 installed). I did however experience crashing while using OpenCL and DirectX mode. Most common errors addressed here: http://steamcommunity.com/app/237870/discussions/0/540735426811547416/steam_api.dll/so/dylib.?l=italian&ctp=3
Space Engine (not to be mistaken for Space Engineers) also runs perfectly stable under Vista as of 0.980.
I was able to install OBS 20.1.1, but the x64 version crashes upon opening. x86 appears to be relatively bug free. MakeMKV Beta also works at the time of writing. I just finished copying an old DVD to ensure that it works. Internet Download Manager (IDM) still lists Vista as a supported OS, and I can concur after weeks of usage. On the other hand, I haven't had much luck with Handbrake. The program will install, but it crashes almost immediately after starting an encode. It may well be system specific here. Older builds work, but are limited in functionality. (no h.265 and poor mkv support). I've substituted it with Prism Video File Converter, a payware application that performs similar functions.
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3 minutes ago, 98SE said:
First off I'm hoping based on the flags we are all American and speak English fluently. So maybe there's a miscommunication on how you troubleshoot vs my old school style.
You do realize there are nearly 65 million people that don't speak English in the United States, right?
Creative differences aside, I wish you the best of luck in your testing.
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7 minutes ago, 98SE said:
I'm only offering you a troubleshooting tool to test if the stability is resolved and not about gaming and if was about gaming then I would actually recommend switching to Windows 7 64-Bit Ultimate SP1 just to access all the titles. If you're not even giving it a chance then you can keep to your own conclusion which could be your hardware or it could be Haswell only and possibly Broadwell
Do forgive me in case I come off as being snarky, but I sense miscommunication here. Perhaps English isn't your mother tongue?
Nobody was talking about gaming here. But since graphics cards are being mentioned, I myself used a GTX 950 with Vista for about a year before switching to Haswell. It was a rock solid card that I continue to use with 7. The boot issue does not change for as long as you use the 1150 platform itself. I also really hope you aren't actually using GPU's from 2011.. Graphics are the least of Vista's concern.
I'm well acquainted with 2008WV, we both worked tooth and nail to debug and find a solution. Akaik it simply doesn't exist. I used Vista primarily on this setup for about half a year.
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@2008WindowsVista I concur. Vista on Haswell is messy. On a vanilla install of SP2 with no drivers, the startup error will occur at random. Not a pretty sight if you try to install updates. Now I haven't tested any of the newer platforms, but I imagine it's similar. Don't be fooled by a few successful boot tests.
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6 minutes ago, Stefan43 said:
Maybe it's an idea to create at least a simple web page with information about Windows Server 2008 updates on Windows Vista, and Windows Server 2012 updates on Windows 8 RTM? Information about installing them, links to repository on MEGA (If allowed by the maintainers). If more people like this idea, I will try to do this. We can also put more information on it (Windows 10 Privacy guide, Windows XP SP1/2/3 links, IE7/8 links).
MSFN was for me atleast, an unique forum where people are ok with each other when using an older Windows OS, where people try to keep using older Windows versions. MSFN is one of the few forums I have an account.
That sounds like an excellent idea.
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4 minutes ago, Ruan said:
Thanks for the heads up, 11ryanc, much appreciated.
BleepingComputer's quite a nice community, used to contribute there fairly regular some years back. They certainly don't seem to have any problem with the Vista EOL Update thread over there, but sadly it looks like the OP may have abandoned it. Not sure how BleepingComputer compares to MSFN though, as I (very unfortunately) am new here.
I have BleepingComputer news saved as a live bookmark/RSS. I've also used the forum in the past. I agree that it seems like a great place, but MSFN is very unique. I'm not sure it can easily be substituted. I suppose the transition will be easier if we all congregate in a single place and re-build from there.
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54 minutes ago, Ruan said:
Hi burd, thanks for replying
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That's really great news, I'll keep my eyes peeled over at Vistax64 forums.
I hate to be frank.... STAY THE HECK AWAY FROM THAT FORUM!
I've met friendly, helpful people there before. There have been useful tutorials as well. But the administration left me with a very sour taste. I created a thread about 4 years ago regarding the-then upcoming EOL. I asked if anyone had the knowledge to create a 7/8 compatibility layer.
I was greeted with friendly responses, some expressing similar concern and ideas. But about 1 hour in, my account was terminated on the grounds of "Advocating illegal activity". I created a new account and contacted the board expressing my apologies for the misunderstanding. I was terminated a second time. I sent an email and never heard back. I caution using that forum, especially post EOL. Simply put, many of the projects you see here on MSFN simply wouldn't exist had this forum been a similar environment.
I've considered migrating over to BleepingComputer, but I'm not sure. I'm not convinced any forum can replace the mammoth of information and professionalism found here. The loss of MSFN is truly a tragedy.
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This is just tragic. MSFN has been an invaluable source of information for me over the last few years, especially for older operating systems. I've been making Internet Archive backups for certain threads. Would be great if somebody could make a full site backup/mirror to preserve all the information accumulated over the years. It would be disastrous to lose it all.
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7 hours ago, burd said:
Im using vista on skylake but since the booting time is so fast it doesnt really matter to have another reboot but, the errors are annoying though truly,i hope someday someone makes a fix for it
I used Vista on my MSI Z97 PC Mate/4790k build for several months. Each boot had a 50/50 chance of success. Even more troubling, the OS began to break after a few months of usage. Eventually I couldn't even use ClearType rendering. Updates would also fail and revert back to previous state. That very well may have just been the hard drive though. I'm very curious as to how Vista is with your config? I may get a spare SSD and give it another whirl.
To the OP, @2008WindowsVista:
Would you mind testing the TorGuard VPN client under Vista? It uses OpenVPN and a Chromium based wrapper for the client GUI. Secondly, Planet Explorers (indie sandbox game). There is a free demo. It doesn't officially support Windows Vista, however I've used older builds back in 2015/16 with success after installing the required dependencies and disabling OpenCL. https://steamcommunity.com/app/237870/discussions/0/540735426811547416/
All efforts to preserve the OS and provide support to other users is very much appreciated
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Good lord this thread has really blown up since I were last active. It's great to see there are still people that care enough about Vista to assort through this all. Honestly a little surprised nothing like this has been pinned yet.
Kudos to the efforts, OP. Favorable OS or not, all software should be well documented for future reference.
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Very intriguing project. But I haven't the slightest idea how to install it? Downloading the packages and extracting the resources onto XP x64 or Server 2003 x86 simply renders the OS unusable. Looking further on the dev's website, I found bootable ISO's. However it requires a product key to proceed.
I must be very punctual here. I'm not asking how to illegally circumvent activation. But what is this OS/distro even based on? Would you activate it using a Server 2003 key?
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It seems the less corporate developers are always more open to stretching OS support for a longer period. Especially if that program is open source. Pale Moon is my favorite browser, and has been for years. Hopefully Moonchild will be open to keeping Vista support for a while. He himself uses 7, I believe. Made quite a few negative remarks about Windows 10 before. Just look at the "The Windows 10 mega-thread!". Firefox is just a hot mess. Almost reminds me of the decline of Opera.
I applaud Slimjet for trying though. It's my secondary browser for whenever a site isn't too PM friendly.
(using win7 myself since i'm on haswell)
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4790k/Z97 user here. 2008 is correct about Ivy+ being spoiled with Vista. As far as I can tell though, only significant repercussion is the timing bug that occasionally occurs upon reboot (aka. Interactive logon process initialization has failed) It can be hair pulling, but it is pretty doable
I've been out of the Radeon loop for quite a while, so can't really comment too much. User smeezekitty did various patches that went as far as Catalyst 15.6, I think? Personally used 15.4 on my 8570d and R7 240 setups. Beyond that got quite murky. Nvidia I'd like to believe will be more lenient towards mods. It always has been in the past. Hoping somebody is willing to step forward in making some patches to various graphics drivers. Most significant drawback using this OS anymore.
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... Beware some SSD makers like Crucial don't bundle a software tool for manually TRIMming, make sure the SSD brand and model you get for XP/Vista comes with such a tool ...
The 'Pro' version of SSD Tweaker can manually TRIM many brands of SSD.
Sorry to bump an old thread. I never did get around to slipping XP on my SSD due to limited space, although I am running Vista SP2 off it at this time. Occasionally play with XP on another disk. Would you happen to know if SSD Tweaker cooperates with Sandisk SSD Plus series? I'm presented with a message that reads, "This function may not work with your operating system, but your drive may support Garbage Collection still". That said, the operation appears to complete regardless. Was disappointed to see that no toolkits are provided from Sandisk, but the price of this drive wasn't much to complain over. If she pops, not quite what you'd call a costly replacement. Steering towards an 850 Evo next time I go shopping.
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Who do you think you are to call people out due to OS choice? Vista FanBoi? That's retarded..
I'm not suggesting you use Vista, nor vice versa. If you like 7, by all means don't feel pressured to change it. Works great for a lot of people. I personally never cared much for it, but that's subjective. Always leaned further on 8 and Vista, funny as that sounds. Have an install of Windows 8.0 (stock RTM) as well as Vista SP2. Also have a copy of Windows 7 on another partition with updates as recently published as just a few months ago. It's silly to run from an OS over updates, but it's also a pain to be caught in the crossfire fixing rogue patches too. Hence, I tend to leave my setups alone. This is a habit that dates all the way back to me using XP.
The question was, if Windows Vista was a more secure OS than 7, without any user intervention. Simply put, it is. Unless you have compelling evidence otherwise?
Thanks
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Ok, It was bugging me that I cannot have Windows update enabled with Windows 7 and I have it disabled because I friend I know told me I should disable it on Windows 7 now, augh, I still am considering running Windows Vista anyway.
You don't necessarily need to shut it off. Though in my opinion, more trouble than it's worth. Not like we get a nice warning label on these rogue patches.
Vista SP2 is excellent. Just ensure you have applicable hardware if you wish to use it. Best done with an Nvidia GPU. Newer Intel sockets may take a little bit of tweaking to get USB3 and chipsets up.
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If you're hesitant with updating your system, assuming you care to update at all. 7 is unfortunately a greyzone right now. I advise simply pulling the plug on the updates beyond Service Pack. I sure as heck don't feel up to a scavenger hunt to know what is harmful or not to install. Do you really think the average norm would ever consider thinking twice to use something as simple as the Windows Updater?.
So to answer your question in direct sense. I would say, yes Vista is more private, as far as recommended defaults go. Microsoft wants the end user automatically installing any given patch released. Unless found otherwise, it's clean as a whistle. If you wanna take your "foil" hat off (joke intended), run a non patched copy of 7 if you so prefer the OS.
Guess because it's Vista vs. 7 at mention, this was bound to blow up into a war somehow? With common sense and an open mind, I can speculate you won't typically run into any major error either way.
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That's an amazing discovery
Hope to see an HD 4600 driver some time as well.
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Windows 7 is ugly, but the abundance of themes for it beg to differ
This is my setup of 7: http://i.imgur.com/iyKA8mZ.jpgWindows XP x86 is limited to RAM support, but there are PAE patches you can try. XP x64 is the best bet, but drivers can be a needle in the haystack. If you're content with Vista, feel free to keep it. Great OS with the SP's. Only hitch is finding drivers on some devices.
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Set the template type for each folder and it's sub folders to "All Items". That temp always shows Date Modified on the column header. Used a patch in 7 once to make that the default, probably a similar way of doing so in Vista as well.
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I guess people have their preferences.
I know I sure do... http://prntscr.com/8n58ep
And it runs faster and more stable than Windows 7 on this PC.. hahahahahaha
In an era where welcome the over simplification of general software. I suppose a watered down Vista is of no surprise amongst popular demand
(JK)Lol such an old topic though. Folks here get by happily on ole NT 5 based OSes, we're all using similar products none the less. If you can make it work, why fuss over it? I build my machines to have complete control. Not trying to step on anyone's toes though. Use whatever you wish.
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Last versions of software for Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008
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Recently used Vista while waiting on an SSD replacement, so I've taken the the opportunity to do some further compatibility testing.
Software I've deemed Vista-friendly:
MusicBee should still work, but I haven't tested the latest version. https://getmusicbee.com/help/faq/
From the website FAQ: