You see how strange is life? If you pay - say - 20 bucks to nuhi (please read as Robin Hood ) for a tool removing the crap, you are happy and you also thank him. If you pay the same twenty bucks to MS (please read as the evil Sheriff of Nottingham) for something where the crap has been (hopefully) already removed, you are angry, as it sounds like a ransom of some kind (actually it is a friggin' ransom ). In a perfect world they would give a free upgrade to all 8/8.1/8.1u1 users AND present a letter of apologies for the inconveniences caused .... jaclaz Wise words from someone who knows nuhi is a legend i wll pay what and more for the fact that his tools work final job done!!!!! get rid ov the service what sends back to Redmond the one what auto starts 7, 8=1 2 3 whateva, mac uses that should be free at-least lol