Trouble is guys here is some screen shots (only whats needed to be set) its not a matter of how big the quicklaunch bar is but a default one like this that can be set in hundreds of systems if needed clip1 to clip5 is what we normally do clip1 is nobar at all clip2 is properties to turn it on clip3 is now turned on clip4 is the default icons which are crap (should be like in clip5) clip5 is how a standard setup should be so can someone do it I have done so many edits the registry has failed 3x times and I had to reinstall windows 2x anyway thats all I can say I am stumped thanks