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This thread is about @roytam1's browsers targeting legacy OSes. And that means even browsers under Windows 7 and Windows 8 as they are also legacy in the meanwhile. But I think @Zorba the Geek is looking for a solution under Windows XP.

I COMPLETELY agree @VistaLover. By the way, you really did a complete job in your above assessment. I'm also grateful to what @K4sum1 gave us. But I also need to look after my needs. While I hate that we have a Google-fied web, I've stopped worrying about the implications of all of the privacy issues we face. It's not that I disagree with the level of concern, but it's that we REALLY can do nothing about it. I need to perform online banking, watch and help produce videos on YouTube, use WebRTC to voice traffic reports, and take part in Zoom meetings, Google Meet and Teams Meetings, and apply for work; all which basically NECESSITATES providing a good chunk of personal information to proceed. I don't agree with the corporate tactics, but I must continue to function. It was indeed K4Sum1's project, as Pale Moon was Moonchild's. What I feel these visionary types (who admittedly deserve a lot of credit for their work), fail to realize is that those that make up their user base are CONSUMERS or CUSTOMERS. Now Moonchild and his "moonie minions" VEHEMENTLY disagree with that. But customers are not just defined as those providing monetary exchange to a company or corporation for a product. They can be those who provide voluntary stake to a company, or mission. So in this way, those who co-develop alongside Moonchild, those who provide add-ons, those who beta test, and YES even those who simply (and regularly) USE Pale Moon, are indeed customers and stakeholders. When someone creates a project, and it attracts users to the resulting product, such as in K4Sum1's r3dFox, expectations begin to be developed. No matter if these expectations are right or wrong for the userbase to behold, they are real, and the developer needs to contend with them. Those are simply the facts. K4Sum1 provided a way for me to use Windows 8 on an extended basis, and you become reliant on that. When K4Sum1 understandably says, "I'm just not feeling it", it doesn't incite a favourable response among the userbase. Fair? Perhaps not, but it's a very real sentiment. @K4sum1, I genuinely hope you are OK.

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Thanks as always to a thoughtful writeup. I'll add my own slight additions. I myself have not "installed" any software for the better part of two decades, I do as much as possible via PORTABLE applications. PortableApps.com popularized the use of portable software. They began in 2006. WinPenPack has actually been around for slightly longer (by mere months, not years). You go even further back (by years) when you include those of us with familiarity to UNIX. With regard to associations with protocols/files/applications, portable software isn't really about not having these associations, but rather having exact and precise finite control of these associations. This PRECISE CONTROL is really only limited by the user's own intentions/imagination. You really can have this PRECISE CONTROL be as simple or as complex as your heart desires. Your "host system" does NOT have to have *ANY* 'default browser' associations, no txt file associations, no ini associations, no pdf associations, no mkv/avi/mp4 associations. NO ASSOCIATIONS of any kind. But you can mix-and-match to your heart's content. Associate 'browser' protocols (http/https/ftp, for example) to all use Firefox *ONLY IF* PortableApps PLATFORM is running in the systray. But roll those ftp protocols over to something like CuteFTP *ONLY* if LiberKey is running in the systray. Split your media file associations so that audio files divert to VLC Player, mkv files divert to PotPlayer, mp4 files divert to Media Player Classic, and avi files divert to TEncoder Video Converter. "Portable" really can be as simple or as complex as you "need it to be".

IIRC, the "nonsetup" zip versions were created for "special" cases (namely WinXP machines without all SPs and/or partially updated), where the provided ".exe" installers wouldn't run; FTR, the first "*_nonsetup.zip" release asset saw the light of day with the 124-r4 release: https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/releases/tag/v126-r4 As posted by NHTPG, these are NOT "portable" packages; Supermium "portable" packages were once offered as part of a paid for Patreon subscription: https://www.patreon.com/posts/supermium-122-r2-103469536 If you don't mind the registry being written to, a simplistic "portable" approach would be to write a "Sm-Portable.cmd" batch file: place it adjacent to Sm's main executable (chrome.exe) and ALWAYS launch Sm via that (you can alternatively create a Windows shortcut with the same cmdline args) ; be mindful: "portable" apps are NOT meant to be associated with other protocols/files/applications etc. ...

I assume that @Zorba the Geek is looking for a client targeting Windows XP. However, your recommended email client Betterbird requires at least Windows 7 64bit.

Yes. Install it from the Mozilla Add-ons page! For example the British English Dictionary (the only real English ): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/british-english-dictionary-2/ Here is a screenshot taken from my Mypal 74.1.4 installation:

Understood, but @Tripredacus was consulted on this occasion, and agreed that no further action was needed in this case. That will not always be the case of course.

Once again, learning a lot! I don't use R3dFox to watch DRM comment, so I didn't even realize R3dfox had disabled DRM. As you say, shades of Pale Moon. All the niche browsers combined aren't going to force YouTube et al. to abandon it! And I agree that the correct way to deal with the issue is to leave the DRM supporting code in the browser, and just disable it with a pref, which can then be re-enabled by the user if desired. Finally, I do consider VMP evil, and understand that niche browsers like R3dFox will never support VMP. But as long as there are sites that impose DRM but don't require VMP, we should still be allowed to access those sites. All that said, though, I still appreciate having R3dFox on my "ancient" Win 7 PC and will keep using it for the ever-increasing number of Web sites that flummox Serpent.

The redfox-old GitHub repo was (also) archived today, but this was probably to be expected; no clue as to why its successor suffered the same fate today ... As for the Eclipse Board , they mention "Temporary maintenance" (stress on "temporary" is mine ) ... That ; and those "proposals" did materialise into a Librewolf-ification of r3dfox that many, myself included, never asked for ... As @Jody Thornton put it, ... and I'll add Vista SP2 to the OS mix above ; yes, close to "stock" Firefox but with the ability to launch on older WinOSes! This is what most site admins expect, this is what most extension authors expect and target... I was never part of the "extreme web privacy" crowd to demand a change of route towards Librewolf (or similar forks); I understand a small portion of the LW code was needed to address a specific r3dfox technical issue, but that is different to incorporating large chunks of LW code "while we're at it" ... As if it wasn't enough to deal with Mozilla "breaking" things (and locking down the browser) with each major version update, an "average" r3dfox user has to deal with "r3dfox-specific" changes, too (ones that not always meet with said user's "approval") ... And my own words on DRM/EME: I found r3dfox maintainer's "obsession" about DRM simply "blown out of proportion"; he goes to extreme lengths to disable EME at buildtime, but the browser itself provides an easy way to disable EME at runtime, if one objects to it for whatever ideological reason... Let's face it; with Google practically owning the Web, they have leveraged the use of their own CDM (Widevine) in most media services, even the most obscure, but still free, ones... Yes, I totally understand the argument about "black-boxed code" etc., but DRM has become a necessary evil in the web era of 2025 and beyond... A lot of focus has been put on the VMP (Verified Media Path) requirement associated with the majority of the prominent/commercial DRM'ed Video+Audio services (e.g. Netflix, Disney+, Paramount+, Spotify, Tidal, Apple Music, etc.) as a reason NOT to implement DRM on r3dfox (because VMP entails a very large sum of money, paid to Google, for certifying the browser for VMP purposes), but what about the rest of the lesser known services that don't impose VMP with DRM? Jody's example of https://www.cp24.com/now/ is such a case, there are many others... The whole thing kind of reminds me, in some twisted way, of Moonchild and his own browser, Pale Moon, where he vehemently refused to implement DRM of any kind; but while Basilisk was still his, he allowed the DRM functionality inherited from his FxESR-52 forkpoint to stay enabled; that is, until the point he could no longer shoehorn-in upstream (Mozilla) DRM patches and, one day, DRM in Basilisk was declared such a big Evil that had to be completely excised! (NB: Latest Widevine CDM (a .dll) needs Win8+ to properly function; on Vista/Win7, some wrapper DLLs (e.g. borrowed from the Supermium project ) are actually needed to make it work there (and only on non-VMP services)). I believe so; he probably had a "hissy fit" and decided to "now I'll show you all", or I could be totally wrong and the GitHub repo archival was an inadvertent mishap ... ... You can count me as one (though I did not post in that thread...). Personally, I'll stick to older r3dfox-140.0.4; it will become my new "KafanMiniBrowser" for GitHub; I'm not that concerned about security patches, as long as GH works there (and it'll continue to work until 140esr becomes deprecated), I'll keep using it... In closing, I'm not being entitled or ungrateful towards the r3dfox author; huge thanks from my side for what he has offered to me over the last two years or so ...

The update "WINDOWSXP-OTSKB000001-V1-X86-INTL.exe" has been released to the general public. The help file "OTSKB.chm" and the code comparison file "code.htm" have been updated accordingly. --- There will probably be a medium update for Windows 2000 users, soon (WINDOWS2000-OTSKB000001-V7-X86-INTL.exe) and a slight update for Windows XP users (WINDOWSXP-OTSKB000001-V2-X86-INTL.exe). --- things to do: Windows 2000 update: Write the version "5.00.2196.0001-V7" of the file "win32k.sys". Then update "code.htm". add the update "Windows 2000/OTSKB000001-V7" to the help file write the update test it release it Windows XP update: Write the version "5.1.2601.0001-V2" of the file "win32k.sys". Then update "code.htm". add the update "Windows XP/OTSKB000001-V2" to the help file write the update test it release it Windows Server 2003 update: Analysis of the version "5.2.3790.6946" of the file "win32k.sys". Then update "code.htm". Write the version "5.2.3791.0001-V1" of the file "win32k.sys". Then update "code.htm". add the update "Windows Server 2003/OTSKB000001-V1" to the help file write the update test it release it Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 update: Analysis of the version "5.1.2600.7684" of the file "win32k.sys". Then update "code.htm". Write the version "5.1.2602.0001-V1" of the file "win32k.sys". Then update "code.htm". add the update "Windows Embedded POSReady 2009/OTSKB000001-V1" to the help file write the update test it release it

Yes WS addressed that and the court case being dismissed. I have searched the WS Reddit page but all that has been pushed further back with newer questions and replies. From memory it was the fault of the company supplying the server. They were in the process at the time of changing servers over to a 'no logs' policy. Then the court case was thrown out this year. They have been growing in the last ten years, people seem to like the company. They still do offer 10 GB free every month on the free plan. That's why I signed up 5 years ago ... at the time they had a nice Win XP app which went away about 1 1/2 years later but people already signed up could still use Win XP for the 'free' or 'pro' service. https://old.reddit.com/r/Windscribe/ For newer computers you might want to check them out. Then I just came across another company that also offers free 10 GBs every month also but they have nothing for Win XP that I can find, but it may be of value for newer computers or phones. https://privadovpn.com/ Download Free VPN App for Windows Get 10GB of data for free every 30 days No payment details required, no strings attached, and no hoops to jump through PrivadoVPN is committed to protecting your privacy for free Is PrivadoVPN a no log VPN? Yes, we ensure that we never log browsing history, traffic destination, data content, IP addresses, or DNS queries. We encrypt all data over our VPN connections, and we do not inspect or record the contents of what you are viewing, browsing, or doing through the PrivadoVPN connections. Free VPN (10GB/month) | Unlimited Devices - PrivadoVPN https://privadovpn.com/freevpn/ So that may be another option for some people. I still like the Japan VPN that I mentioned in my first post. It sets up everything very easy and Win XP works very good plus in 2025 support for people still using Windows 98 SE can be a plus. Most of the servers are located in Japan but there are others scattered around other locations ... but most seem to be in Asia. ...

Release: https://github.com/LordOfMice/Tools/blob/master/nvme9x.zip https://github.com/LordOfMice/Tools/blob/master/nvment.zip https://github.com/LordOfMice/Tools/blob/master/nvme2k-src.zip readme: NVMe driver for Windows 9x. Base: nvme2k 1.0.0.2 https://github.com/techomancer/nvme2k Changes: Port for Windows 9x, 64-bit LBA & Fixes 1. Generic - added SCSI 64-bit LBA commands processing (large drives support). Tested on Windows 9x ONLY - fixed controler shutdown code - speed up of command queueing and it is less CPU consuming - fixed enormously low speed or false positive errors on executing of large size requests - various code rectifications 2. Windows 9x specific - port with 2 bug fixes - install script nvme9x.inf written Install and uninstall as usual hardware, nothing specific.

The problem with the new topic lasted for a really long time, and only fixed now. I remember being unable to post on the Microsoft Office forum months ago. The Like button was used by a group of people with a leader whose name begins with "D", but they don't seem to be kiddies. I only use the like button generally when I've read what was said to me and don't want to reply anymore. While everything works, I'm keeping Supermium 132. Don't fix what isn't broken.

The 153 error relates to the referrer header – Google have decided that when embedding a video you can't block it any more. It's worth noting that when these useless error codes appear that you can right-click ... copy debug info ... paste that info somewhere you can read it, and then look towards the bottom for: "debug_error" The 153 error will reveal itself as: "embedder.identity.missing.referrer" which is the clue that it is caused by a missing referrer header. Ben.

FFmpeg update. XP: static shared libfdk-aac VISTAx86: static shared libfdk-aac

No, not really. That is the "this is not an INSTALLER, just EXTRACT and EXECUTE" version. To make it PORTABLE, you have to "wrap it" wit a LOADER so that the .exe doesn't save files outside of its own directory, so that it doesn't make permanent changes to the registry, etc.

The way that I do it, it does not matter if there is a portable version or not - *ALL* Chrome/Chromium-based browsers 'can be made' portable Just replace the "bin" folder with the Supermium files that you want to turn into a portable version. You can start with anything that is already portable (360Chrome, PortableApps, WinPenPack, the list is endless).

@feodor2 released Mypal 74.1.4 some days ago. Today, I have installed it and made some tests. The good news: my favoured Alice0775 script loading method still seems to be working with this new version, without any additional modifications. The bad news: the Custom Buttons extension stopped working completely.

I haven't used these extensions for years. All modifications are done by me manually inside extensions themselves if they need to be fixed. And that means I am not interested in these two extensions at all. They are of no use to me.

it uses same cert store as latest firefox's security library (NSS) so it has latest certs.

I can't imagine that pref. doing anything at all if multiprocess move is disabled, so I strongly suspect either it is your imagination, or else you do actually have multiprocess mode enabled. The pref. you cited is not the only way to enable it: You can check whether multiprocess mode is, in fact, enabled by clicking Help / Troubleshooting and scrolling down to "Multiprocess Windows." If the first number is anything but zero, it's enabled. Already done: https://github.com/JustOff/moon-tester-tool (by the author of the Classic Add-Ons Archive himself) and https://github.com/Nebula-Mechanica/serpent-tester-tool. But to be fair, these extensions are themselves several years old, so they probably need to be updated. ... Any volunteers? @AstroSkipper?

hard times for Windows Graphical User Interface... long life windows 8.0 NT 6.2 (+ex7forw8) the true kiiing & the fastest NT6 ever made http://web.archive.org/web/20160410082617/https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8/ credits: Everytime 9x hears about Metro Fluent UWP whatever design... Windows has seen better days... windows computer magic has ended long long time ago I'll never ever understang how in the h3ll windows 9x flies on ridiculous hardware and now with tons of ram, nvme ssds, dedicated gpus... the OS is full of lag... Bill, if you hear me. PLEASE, come back, release longhorn, bring some joy to all WDDM capable hardware which is all hardware since 2006.

Not my fault, really, but here you go: https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7539#p7539 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7542#p7542 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7593#p7593 There was this r3dfox bug and the author (thought he) found the solution in one of LibreWolf's special "policies", but while he was "there", he decided to also implement several other LW policies/settings into r3dfox; this is implied in the bolded wording of every new "LW-ified" r3dfox release, e.g. 128.14.1esr: Testimonies of breakage can be found in the linked Eclipse Forum thread and in the GH issue tracker (recent open/closed issues), e.g. https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues?q= is%3Aissue state%3Aopen sort%3Aupdated-desc https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues?q=is%3Aissue state%3Aclosed sort%3Aupdated-desc What made me furious the most was this ; but, as I wrote already, I'm only speaking for myself here; it may well be that the majority of the r3dfox users are still very happy to have got new releases with the latest security patches, courtesy of Mozilla .. As you often write, "moving on" ...

I was worried that may be the case too, as I was a tad vocal on my thoughts of where r3dFox is headed, on the Eclipse Fourm. However, that isn't my saying "You have to do this or that!". I'm vehement on my opinions, and make no apologies for it. In any case, I have now moved on the Firefox for Windows 7 and 8, since releases seem to be happening more quickly. This is especially the case for ESR builds. I'm glad I switched. Even if my comments were not made, I'm sure there were a lot of vocal proponents of my mindset, including one being a moderator.

YES IT IS, if you really want us to seek out a solution. There are a *TON* of Chrome extensions taylored to VLC Player. ONE example -- https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/open-in-vlc-media-player/kbonopecbfhedlfpaphndlaoppmdppim?hl=en Then browse the "related" and then browse the related's "related". *TONS* of them. Though I myself have not used any of them to speak towards any recommendation.

The update "WINDOWS2000-OTSKB000001-V7-X86-INTL.exe" has been released to the general public. The help file "OTSKB.chm" and the code comparison file "code.htm" have been updated accordingly. --- There will probably be a slight update for Windows XP users, soon (WINDOWSXP-OTSKB000001-V2-X86-INTL.exe). --- things to do: Windows XP + Windows Embedded for Point of Service update: add the version "5.1.2601.0001-V2" of the file "win32k.sys" to "code.htm" (edit: done) add the update "Windows XP/OTSKB000001-V2" to the help file write the update test it release it Windows Server 2003 update: add the version "5.2.3790.6946" of the file "win32k.sys" to "code.htm" add the version "5.2.3791.0001-V1" of the file "win32k.sys" to "code.htm" add the update "Windows Server 2003/OTSKB000001-V1" to the help file write the update test it release it Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 update: add the version "5.1.2600.7684" of the file "win32k.sys" to "code.htm" add the version "5.1.2602.0001-V1" of the file "win32k.sys" to "code.htm" add the update "Windows Embedded POSReady 2009/OTSKB000001-V1" to the help file write the update test it release it

tried here on xp and 7 but I can't reproduce the crash. removing ID check means inappropriate extensions that can break browser hard can be installed. so I can't let this option available. if you are confident an extension that will work, open it up with archiver and modify its manifest adding my browser's ID instead.

Support for EJS is now implemented in yt-dlp master branch. https://github.com/nicolaasjan/yt-dlp/releases/tag/2025.11.01.082330

Here is another test version, using the PR fork with EJS support (also works on Vista). Instead of Deno, Windows 7 (and Vista) users can install QuickJS.

I was never able to correctly open all *.???x files with either Office XP or Office 2003 using the Compatibility Pack. As a result, I moved to Office 2010 with UBitMenu. Another problem with Excel on these previous versions of Office is that they were unable to correctly handle more complicated spreadsheets, such as Glenn Reeves' Excel IRS Form 1040.

Detailed explanation of this issue on WinXP SP3: https://github.com/3dyd/pyinstaller-builds/issues/2#issuecomment-3464525813 Excerpt form PyInst-6.0.0 documentation: https://pyinstaller.org/en/v6.0.0/CHANGES.html#incompatible-changes The psapi.dll in question (with the missing function) is the system one, while the one inside the "_internal" dir (which isn't being loaded when PyInst-6.16.0-xpmod has been used) is PSAPI.DLL, one of the four wrapper DLLs (kernelXP.dll, ntextl.dll, psapi.dll, ws2_xx.dll) that are used to backport py3.11.4 to XP ...

My Office is 2007, so I may not be of much help. But maybe this will fix your issue (article cites your exact issue but on Windows 2000) -- https://superuser.com/questions/1504407/office-2003-cant-open-newer-office-files More specifically, solution was to use "version 2" of the compatibility pack (linked in superuser article) -- https://www.malavida.com/en/soft/microsoft-office-compatbility-pack/download

Most sadly, this is only part of the story ; probing the v20.19.2 (32-bit) binary (a whooping 61.3 MiB in filesize) with DependencyWalker, I found a total of six (6) Vista-incompatible function calls: in advapi32.dll: EventSetInformation in kernel32.dll: K32GetModuleBaseNameW K32GetProcessMemoryInfo ResolveLocaleName TryAcquireSRWLockExclusive TryAcquireSRWLockShared The first one can also be a thing on a partially updated Win7 SP1 install (see this); thank you for already raising a Vista-support issue with Vladimir ...

I guess the extra features fulfills the plus part of Vista+. I understand the desire for targeted features and size reduction though. Now, with a known working configuration we can certainly remove features. That part will be easy. I can start with the items you listed for a future build. The libfdk-aac external functionality is included for parity with the XP version and of course the dll is not required to run the FFmpeg binaries. This functionality can also be removed if desired.

This is from her site yesterday, 14 February 2025. It's about a company that had a massive 1.17TB database online for anyone to see. There was no encryption and no password required. The database contained 2,734,819,501 sensitive records. https://www.komando.com/news/devices/your-wi-fi-was-part-of-2-7-billion-records-leaked/ The location of this company is interesting and they specialize in LED lights and hydroponics equipment. ...

@ExtremeGrief I could do that but I didn't. If you want to merge it's up to you. I did it my way as Frankie Boy would say (or better sing). Don't say other people what they should, could or have to do. If you want to do it "better" do it by your own!

@maile3241 Oh man, dllcache is a subfolder of system32 folder.

@maile3241 Of course you can. Copy new code, mark this region with your mouse and paste new code, But do not change other bits. Check after patching if only these ten digits have changed. It's the most simple thing.

@maile3241https://imgur.com/AqLdRes Of course you have. In hexeditor all lines are arranged hexadecimal on left side. Find line 0000EC80 and then position (column) 4. Open your eyes! In your screenshot I can see the matching code.

@maile3241 At offset EC84, replace 83F89D7508 by 3BC0EB3290. But first check if code 83F89D7508 matches exactly in your file.

@maile3241 Version 5.1.2600.5512 is what I have and is an original service pack 3 file. And patching is no problem using hexeditor.

@maile3241 Have you already checked if at offset EC84 of your file this code 83F89D7508 matches? You always say the same but you give less information about what you have tried. Use an hexeditor like WinHex and look inside! If code matches then you can patch outside of system32 without any problems.

Of course it did make a couple of very generic, blog-style posts to distract attention from the advertising goal, who on MSFN would do such kind of empty topics? No PC specs, nothing! https://msfn.org/board/topic/186949-starting-fresh/ In the good old days @Tripredacus punished for this, maybe even banned, since the bot no longer appeared again. https://msfn.org/board/topic/182109-windows-vista-modernisation-guide/page/2/#findComment-1226962 So my point stands, sorry.

If by 'standalone' you mean a portable version, yes there is. If you are going to continue using Supermium, please continue this in the Supermium thread.

Maybe these 2807 definitions files are the very last. I do not use MSE but perhaps they are working. Link: https://msfn.org/board/topic/175514-microsoft-security-essentials-and-windows-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1165552 And the (second) ZippyShare Webproxy link of MSE updater 1.9 is still alive: https://msfn.org/board/topic/175514-microsoft-security-essentials-and-windows-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1122545 But I think the updater does not work anymore. Try it! AstroSkipper

Error code 0x80070002 means ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND i.e. the System cannot find the file specified. You have to check your Windows Update Log to see which file can't be found and why.

And this is a certificate updater to get the most recent root certificates: https://msfn.org/board/topic/175170-root-certificates-and-revoked-certificates-for-windows-xp/?do=findComment&comment=1095349