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the great battle of the windows versions is still going on and windows vista is still the best please share you experience of why vista is better than 10 (anything about how bad windows 10 is and why vista is better) please answer below

Might be another bummer for XP Microsoft to use SHA-2 exclusively starting May 9, 2021 KB5003341: Issues you might encounter when SHA-1 Trusted Root Certificate Authority expires

I recently purchased a Dell PowerEdge R720 and I'm wondering what people would use on it. I would happily use Proxmox, but because of some problems with the drives i'm using and how they are setup, Windows Server would be an easier option. What would you use? I'm considering 2019, but wondering if 2012 R2 would be a better option. What are your preferred versions of Windows Server for a Sandy Bridge-era Intel system?

Finally got the time to create the much requested Update Repository for Vista. I've collected these updates a year ago, but only recently took the time to put them on my Mega account and organize them. It has roughly the same format as my post-EOL repositories, with x86 and amd64 versions. A few highlight points: Most updates come in ".cab" format, because at the time it was easier to manage bulk installations in this format (I was trying to update offline images) Includes hotfixes not distributed through Windows Update. These were collected through a mix of the now defunct MS Hotfix service and the website "hotfixshare". There's some interesting fixes in there. While most of the updates are language agnostic, some are specific to the language I use, Portuguese of Portugal (like the IE9 installer). If you'd like to provide a version for your language, please contact me. To install a ".cab" format update, just run the following command: start /w pkgmgr /ip /m:<path to updates> /s:<temp path for extraction> /l:<path for log files> /norestart To bulk install updates, I usually run the following set of commands: forfiles /p <path to update folder> /m *.cab /c "cmd /c mkdir @fname" forfiles /p <path to update folder> /m *.cab /c "cmd /c pkgmgr /ip /m:@file /s:@fname /norestart" The first command creates a folder for each individual update and the second one installs each update and extracts onto each created folder. Here's a practical example. Say, I have all of the updates from the repository located in my Downloads folder inside my user profile. In this case, I want to install every update in the "General" folder. I'd use the commands above like so: forfiles /p "C:\Users\greenhillmaniac\Downloads\General" /m *.cab /c "cmd /c mkdir @fname" forfiles /p "C:\Users\greenhillmaniac\Downloads\General" /m *.cab /c "cmd /c pkgmgr /ip /m:@file /s:@fname /norestart" I'd recommend you install no more than 200 updates at a time. This can also be used to create an updated Vista ISO for later use (tutorial coming soon™) Anyway, here's the link for the repository

The war against Windows 10 is going on and Vista is slowly winning (with kernelex in development) but with newer, more powerful hardware being developed, Vista compatible hardware (especially hardware from 2005-2008) is slowly getting obsolete. Still, I plan on using Vista until at least 2023. Vista holdouts: you can share your plans of using Vista in 2021 and beyond here.

- Windows NT 5.x family windowsupdate.com links for available languages, including all (any?) Custom Support Updates - The updates links are grouped for each build, slightly sorted, and ordered lexicographically per update number or file name as possible - Superseded (replaced) updates are not filtered or excluded - The dump is available as csv files containing updates name and url, or plain text files containing updates url - It's recommended to use CSVFileView to check the csv files https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/csv_file_view.html - You can filter or extract updates for certain language using findstr (Vista or 7) e.g. findstr /i \-enu NT_5.2.3790-x64-Custom.csv > NT_5.2.3790-x64-Custom-enu.csv however, few update have different language identifier or none, so it's best to review the whole file first - NT_5.1.2600-x86-SP2-Custom and NT_5.1.2600-x86-SP2-Custom-IE are ment for the EOS Windows XP SP2 x86 only - NT5-ia64 is for Itanium-based Server 2003 / Windows XP - .NET Framework packs and updates for NT 5.1/5.2 are in a separate list files, likewise Windows Media Player and some eXtra updates # P.S. Maybe it's best not to post the links explicitly in the forum replies or text sites (pastebin, txtuploader..), and share them in the txt/csv files # Download https://gitlab.com/stdout12/adns/uploads/9ca06a12dd08c06edd889e65afa637fa/NT5_WU_URLs_csv.7z https://gitlab.com/stdout12/adns/uploads/33fcfd0b0f6c1a0cb74472cb8407800d/NT5_WU_URLs_txt.7z

I wonder if this is a Microsoft error or did they do it on purpose? Downloading DirectX Runtime is simply not possible on their site right now, apart from the web archives, ridiculous. If anyone needs a download link, here is - "https://cutt.ly/kkxPoVe". I leave a link here, because I want no one to waste time searching

Hello everyone My friend said that you guys are the best when dealing with legacy operating systems. My mom has older laptop that still had old vista on it. We did clean install of windows 7 but now the laptop feels more sluggish than before. Why could that be? Windows 7 was always snappy on my computers. Editing: She was using it daily with vista up until now (shopping, web browsing etc..) intel core 2 duo t5870 2gb ram 500gb hdd 7200rpm Windows 7 home premium 32 bit

OK. By popular demand: Redirects removed. The 1st user to ask about where they went gets a kick on the bee-hind! @roytam1's own thread brought back and unpinned. I think creating "Part 3" and letting that ginormous thread sink is really warranted.

About that... Windows 8.1 is in very weird state. they seem to forgot about it The installer downloads 2021.2 and then upgrades itself to 2021.3. Windows 7 does not work (tested it).

Thanks and of course i will enjoy. Ive been here for 1 month with no accounts. And today i made my account

@RainyShadow Thanks for testing! Ah yes, if merged into a 1-line-BOOKMARKLET, the usual commentline sign // breaks the scripts. So as usual it helps to either delete all comments, or put them between starlets at begin and end /* xxxx */ As for the clearing prob, good hint, could reproduce and fix. By placing the code into a function wrap, another usual fix that often works: javascript:(function(){...code....})() BOOKMARKLET: javascript:(function(){if (document.location.href.toString().substr(0,29) == 'https://msfn.org/board/forum/'){ if (document.getElementById('idPinnedTopics') == null) { var LIST=document.querySelectorAll('i.fa-thumb-tack'); if (LIST && LIST.length > 0){ var wrapPins=document.createElement('ol'); wrapPins.id='idPinnedTopics'; wrapPins.style.overflow='scroll'; wrapPins.style.maxHeight='400px'; wrapPins.style.border='4px solid gold'; /* (Add or not?) wrapPins.className='ipsClear ipsDataList cForumTopicTable cTopicList'; */ var pin1=LIST[0].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode; var pinsOL=pin1.parentNode; pinsOL.parentNode.insertBefore(wrapPins, pinsOL); var i, pinX; for (i=0; i < LIST.length; i++){ pinX=LIST[i].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode; wrapPins.appendChild(pinX); }}}}})()

Yea, im already using Virtual Machine. But its not the best, my VirtualBox Guest Additions is broken i think. I can install it, but Aero is not working I enabled 3D Acceleration and gave VM 256MB of VRAM

I really miss Windows Aero Vista did everything what i needed/wanted. I wish i could use Windows Vista as my main operating system.

Windows 10 is overrated that should already elevate the rating of older oses, vista feels clutter free and fast compared to trash10 and i say this on a modern system.

With the current trend of pure white interfaces, pinned topics are annoying to scroll past to find actual new posts. Traditionally stickied topics used to be shaded darker or a different color, and easy to ignore. At "least" here the pin icon is still green, but it's barely visible being so small. On the Vista forum there is a warning about a paradox, which nobody has used or needed for years. The XP section will now look better if the redirects go away.

Now Server 2003 and XP x64 can be fully updated up to 2019-08, nice. Thank you very much for this. No need, findstr is included in XP and Server 2003, and it works as expected.

@dencorso Maybe unpin the redirects while waiting for the weekend, so we can see how much they will dive? @siria I tried to quickly test your script as a bookmarklet (in NM27) by appending javascript: in the begining. I did it in the Win9x forums, but nothing happened. Then tried through the web console, it says "SyntaxError: missing } in compound statement" [edit] Removing the comment line made it work in the web console. As a bookmarklet it has some issue though. It wraps the pinned topics as intended, but then quickly cleans the page, leaving only the text [object HTMLLIElement]

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I love your new rank : "Windows vista diehard" !

Please, this does not mean the removal of xp updates from the catalog?

As a matter of fact, exception made for browsing, that with recent browser and crappy bloated internet sites means senselessly using heaps of memory, the difference between 2 GB and 4 GB (of which as said only 3.2 to 3.5 will likely be visible) won't be very relevant/noticeable, that was the point I was trying to make, and it is confirmed by the "a little better" experienced by OP. Switching to a SSD should be "more better", i.e. more noticeable. jaclaz

Sorry, but no. I said "I took a look at that 800mhz CPU". That's right , read your link again , the CPU has only 800mhz Bus speed . 800mhz + slow chipset + DDR2 (guessing DDR2 will not even be 400mhz , more likely to be 333Mhz(667)) = slow notebook for win-7. @jaclaz is totally right , Windows 7 has lots of unneeded background tasks , a lot more than the others ! So now he will be considered as windows 7 hater too , just for stating the facts ? In my experience the bare minimum win-7 laptop should have DDR3 and a decent chipset , I guess our experienced members do know about the importance of chipsets and FSB data rate . I still have one laptop with DDR2 and had to install Win 7 on it to test some programme before deciding if I want to port it to Vista . Gosh it was painfully slow . No need for benchamarks , Just launching a browser is like 3x slower. All I'm saying slow FSB may be enough for older systems , but when it comes to the newer ones , like 7 , it will be much slower , this should come as no surprise. Why SSD may help , because Windows 7 just likes to read/write lots of data , esp. during boots.

Only to endorse the suggestion by bphlt and Gansangriff, 7 tends to use the hard disk for "background" (mostly unneeded) activities a lot more than previous Operating Systems, a number of services can be disabled to regain some of the lost performance, but the change to a SSD is what usually gives the install a speed boost without the complexity. About RAM, 2 GB is definitely a bit tight, upgrading to 4 GB (of which you will probably be able to "see" only 3.2 to 3.5 GB) will also make a difference, and - optionally - you can usually (but it depends on the specific hardware) use Gavotte Ramdisk to use some of the "invisible" memory for - say - a small swap file or for the browsers temp folder. jaclaz

Maybe Dixel just had a look at the wrong processor. This one should be yours. https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_2/Intel-Core%202%20Duo%20Mobile%20T5870%20LF80537GG0412MN.html It should have enough power to run Windows 7. It's not perfect, but it should run. An SSD would really boost it up however! First, you have to sort out the drivers for your laptop. Get them all installed and have a look at the devices manager (go to the control panel, then select "system", there should it be somewhere). In that list of all the parts of your laptop, there shouldn't be any questionmarks appearing. Also check, if your graphics card is listed properly there. Things like standard VGA driver don't count (that's not the real driver, it's just a dummy). Anyways, you could make sure, that there is no internet connection present at the installation process. Just pull the cable. Or just skip the WiFi connection (can be done later). Like that, you can make sure if the Windows updates are the problem (which they can be indeed). MS Office dependency... well, was LibreOffice an option? Excuse me for bringing up this lame duck, but you might be able to open some documents with it. Others will look terrible however...

In addition to the recommendation to update the RAM, what helped my wife's laptop was to change the HD for an SSD. I was thinking I would have to also do a clean install to really see a difference, but merely cloning her drive to an SSD changed things from being intolerable to being as fast as my desktop system. The laptop is now as much of a joy to use as it was when it was brand new. Absolutely incomparable to the agony it had become. I'm sure a clean install would also help, but currently not necessary. Cheers and Regards

I don't know where you live and what shortages you're talking about , oh , now I see , you say you live in France . Shortages in France !? Hmm .. Anyway , I can tell you where to buy any laptop starting from 250 Euro , from Western Germany with cheap delivery to any part of the world . A good store since 1999. I do not want to publish the link to the shop here , who knows , maybe it will be considered as an advertisement . But I will , if our dear moderators will agree , we need to help the mother , don't we ? So you may want to ask them. EDIT : or I can send you a message with the shop's name, if you want .

okay it seems like you're not objective cause you are windows 7 hater (I looked on your profile) my core 2 duo t5870 is 2 ghz at base clock! I simply asked why are you recommending vista when we can't use it? (security reasons and office) I don't have any experience in kernel stuff or programming. so extending something isn't my cup of coffee. I would buy new laptop if they were in stock (I already said that) like paying 800 dollars for pentium laptop is something I simply refuse to do. We already upgraded the ram to 4gb so it seems to be little better and I'll try to reinstall windows 7 32bit as you suggested and I'll not update it. (even though that will limit my ram to 3 gb and something?) Please try to not attack me for having older laptop... I mean you could be windows 7 hater but this was inadequate.

Because now Vista has the marvelous Extended Kernel , created by the talented MSFN member @win32 , so all modern browsers do work. If you don't like what I suggested , go and use what you want. Yet another solution would be buying a new laptop for your mother . Core 2 Duo is what , like 15 years old ? I wanted to place this solution as the first one in the previous post , but avoided doing so because I'm polite . Buying a new notebook is exactly the thing I would do in this case , even if I had to sell the parts from one of my rigs. Regards. EDIT : Took a look at that 800mhz CPU. This kind of hardware is simply out of question for any modern OS . 2GB of RAM is not enough for Win 7 . I remember such processors were too slow even when they just came out , so folks installed win 2000 or XP 32 bit to get some performance out of such laptops. I think you may need an advice from someone else.

Hi, Why do you save go back to vista? Why is it obvious? (I don't want to sound rude or anything but this is something very different to opinions on internet) We need windows 7 on there because internet banking stopped working on windows vista and most websites no longer loaded up correctly. SP1 is needed for microsoft office 2016 (office 2010 stopped being able to read modern documents that my mom needs to open because of work) She could click on anything so having an updated windows is important for her. She does not play any games (I have my gaming tower for that). I could try windows 8 because what I've read here is that it is the fastest modern os idk honestly. Upgrade is now out of question because of shortages.

I might sound dumb, but have you installed the graphics driver, right?

Hello and thank you for your warm greeting. We don't have any antivirus installed but we have windows update. I don't know but it is just not possible to even browse the web. It is very laggy and I don't understand why

Hmm, try if 4.6.0.1 fixed it.

Welcome to MSFN! If you have installed all available Windows updates up to Win7’s January 2020 EOL, then that might be the explanation. Some of Microsoft’s security updates released in 2018-2019 (after Vista’s EOL) negatively impacted system performance. (The same thing would’ve happened to Vista if you had manually installed all the Server 2008 SP2 updates.) You could test that with another clean install of Win7 SP1 with Windows Update disabled to see if it’s less sluggish. Before trying anything that drastic, have you installed an antivirus on Win7? Not many of them support Vista anymore, but they all support Win7 and can make a system sluggish.

No, whenever you move something, it is probable that you lose or damage something. BUT something that could be useful - particularly to the new members - would be a curated list of (old and new) topics, something loosely similar to this post by MDGx (related to 9x/Me): for others OS/subforums/sections of the board. jaclaz

WinNTSetup 4.6.0 - fixed vhd detection regression - fixed dism dowload was missing logprovider.dll - fixed possible freeze caused by PathCompactPath - fixed possible freeze with "-noapply" mode - fixed some High DPI issues - fixed commandline iso attach did not return errorlevel for driveletter - dismount of vhd with hidden bootpart will force remove all it's drive letters - driver integration now uses dismapi, trys to avoid adding drivers of different architecture - driver export now sorts by driver class - move Tools\WimBootCompress.ini to Tools\Compact\ - logging content of internal VHD BCD store - added Win7USB3 driver integration / post install fix option (see Tools\Win7USB3\ReadMe.txt) - added wofcompress option - added remove autocheck option *Last 3 are right click features: https://ibb.co/NmXNbY0

Core will be fine if you are not scared doing all in command line without gui.

2008 R2 is in ESU and uses the older version of server manager, and 2016 has such a slow update system. 2012 R2 is just a minor update to 2012 so I will be going with 2012 R2 Datacenter Core.

2012 r2 is almost same as 2012 expect it got better UI (bit less metrofied). It would fine to your use. I recommend atleast server 2012 r2 standard not essential or web edition to have hyper v and more ram support. If you want you can do in place upgrade on retail version of windows server. I upgraded one server from 2008 r2 to 2012 r2 without reinstalling all

Dell says this supports 2008 R2, 2012, 2012 R2 and 2016. I'd rather not use 2008 R2 or 2012 (even though I like them) and 2016 has a very slow update systen, so 2012 R2 is basically my only option, or I can figure out if 2019 runs fine on it when I get it.

Highly depends on usage and hw. I used server 2008 r2 on newer servers (sandy bridge and newer) and server 2003 on older (771 xenon). 2012 would be fine for stability and compatibilty use any offically supported ones. Mostly raid controller is why needed. Stock drivers never worked well on array if you plan use windows server to virtualisation you need atleast windows server standard. Also make sure your server version supports all of processor cores and memory on system. Standard version of 2008 r2 supports up to 32 GB of ram and 4 physical cpu sockets while server datacentre/enterprise edition supports 2tb ram, 8 physical sockets (enterprise) and 64 (datacentre). For server 2012 r2 both standard and data centre do 4tb of ram and 64 physical cpu sockets. Different is on licencing features. Just make sure edition you are installing can utilise ram and cpu sockets

thankyou @Dixel i tryed your trick and it works perfectly now! i can finally use vista!

The R720 I'm getting has drivers on Dell's site for 2008, 2008 R2, 2012, 2012 R2, and 2016.

For what I use of them, I find no real functional differences between 2008 R2 to 2019. As for which to use on a specific hardware platform, I would pick the OS that is certified or qualified for it, so that drivers are available and that support is available if needed.

I don't understand why 8.0 would be supported, it's like complaining Windows Vista without Service Packs is unsupported. Windows 8.1 isn't a different OS, it's Windows 8 SP1.

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Awhile ago I had won a culture victory where the victory conditions were only Culture or Domination. It was a learning experience for sure. I'm doing some challenge called 52 games where basically you play a new game and try to beat it every week. My game from this week (Alien: Isolation) was actually from last week so I'm spending the rest of this week playing Skyrim again.

Don't forget Windows 8.0, which is ignored more than 8.1 by most software developers.

And here it is! The most awaited Vista repository with Server 2008 updates (atleast for the few people who care about the OS). Included in here are updates for both x86 and x64 architectures, and all versions of .NET available for Vista, from 2.0 to 4.6.1. If there's anything missing, do let me know. https://mega.nz/#F!txxRyLzC!1vBMGzMHiL864f3bl1Rj1w I would like to direct a huge thank you to @VistaLover and @2008WindowsVista, for testing out the updates, and listing them in an easy to copy way

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